Hashimoto's encephalopathy

A Treatable Form of Dementia

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Hashimoto's encephalopathy is an autoimmune neuroendocrine disorder caused when the thyroid antibodies seen in Hashimoto's thyroiditis affect brain tissue.

Hashimoto's encephalopathy (HE), which has recently been designated steroid-responsive encephalopathy associated with autoimmune thyroiditis (SREAT), is an autoimmune disorder that can cause memory impairment, cognitive changes, dementia and associated neurological symptoms. HE can occur in patients with hypothyroidism related to Hashimoto's thyroiditis and in patients with normal thyroid function. In some cases, particularly when HE occurs in association with non-thyroid related disorders such as Sjogren's syndrome or systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), it's called nonvasculitic autoimmune meningoencephalitis (NAIM).

The first cases of Hashimoto's encephalopathy were reported in 1966 when the existence of thyroid antibodies in the blood of patients with the autoimmune hypothyroid disorder Hashimoto's thyroiditis was first demonstrated. SREAT is caused by the same thyroid antibodies that cause Hashimoto's thyroiditis although in SREAT, rather than destroying thyroid tissue, these antibodies attack and destroy brain cells known as neurons. Most experts believe that SREAT is under-diagnosed and that many patients thought to have Alzheimer's disease actually have SREAT, which is a treatable disorder. Hashimoto's encephalopathy has been reported worldwide, and cases have been documented in patients ranging from 12-82 years with women more likely to be affected than men.

Encephalopathy is a general term referring to an inflammatory brain disease that alters the brain's structure or function. Encephalopathy is suspected in patients showing signs of an altered mental state. Common symptoms of encephalopathy include stroke-like symptoms of memory loss, difficulty concentrating, hallucinations, irritability, restlessness, amnesia, diminished cognitive ability, myoclonus (involuntary muscle twitching), tremors, nystagmus (rapid, involuntary eye movement), muscle weakness, dementia, seizures, convulsions, difficulty swallowing, impaired speech, confusion, disorientation, psychosis, headache, right-sided hemiparesis or partial paralysis, and fine motor problems, including incoordination of arms, hands and fingers.

HE is diagnosed in patients with high titers of thyroid peroxidase (TPO) antibodies who show signs of cognitive impairment responsive to corticosteroids. Lymphocytic vasculitis of the veins and venules of the brain stem in HE supports the notion that HE may be an autoimmune vascular disorder. Vasculitis as a contributing factor to HE is also supported by the presence of anti-alpha-enolase antibodies in HE. These antibodies are also seen in other conditions of vasculitis including systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) and ANCA-associated vasculitis. Other diagnostic changes seen in HE include an elevated cerebrospinal fluid protein, EEG abnormalities (diffusely slowed), and perfusion deficits in the presence of normal structural neuroimaging. Although hypothyroidism may be present, most patients have normal levels of circulating thyroid hormone, suggesting that inflammation rather than myxedema is responsible for the cognitive defects. CT scans may be normal or show cerebral swelling (patchy edema) secondary to diffuse white-matter edema appearing as diminished attenuation with increased signal intensity on T2-weighted matter MRI images. The variation in imaging test results may represent different stages or subtypes of HE.

HE may, like multiple sclerosis, also cause a relapsing form of encephalopathy with imaging test results varying depending if the disease is an active or relapsing mode. Relapsing white-matter edema is the usual presentation. Most patients have elevated titers of TPO antibodies and some patients have thyroglobulin antibodies. However, because 20 percent of the older population, especially women, may have these antibodies, antibody test results must be interpreted with caution. Patients with HE are also reported to occasionally have antinuclear antibodies (ANA) and anti-parietal cell antibodies. Fine needle aspiration (FNA) studies in patients with HE show lymphocytic thyroiditis.

Patients with SREAT show a good response to corticosteroids such as prednisone and related immunosuppressants because of the ability of these medications to reduce thyroid antibody production and reduce inflammation. Researchers in India report a case of SREAT that did not respond to corticosteroids but showed a very favorable response to plasma exchange, a technique used to remove circulating antibodies,

Resource: Pablo Castillo, Steroid-Responsive Encephalopathy Associated with Autoimmune Thyroiditis, Archives of Neurology, February 2006.

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May 3, 2008 3:55 AM
Guest :
I am now in the process of a study on a number of severe migraine patients who have thyroid antibody disease. I believe this may be more common by far than the traditionally described Hashimoto's encephalopathy.
Northwest Headache Clinic
Kirkland Washington.
Jun 5, 2008 11:20 AM
Guest :
My sister (28 yrs old)was diagnosed with HE in December after experiencing a seizure in October and another one in December, each putting her into a coma. She has since responded well to prednisone, and is now in the process of tapering off of it. She takes 40 mgs every other day. Does the process of tapering off of prednisone cause fatigue? She seems very tired, and I am just hoping this is not a relapse of the HE. She also had a total thyroidectomy four months ago. Your comments are appreciated.

Jun 5, 2008 3:18 PM
Elaine Moore :
Tapering off prednisone could cause fatigue. However, after thyroidectomy, thyroid hormone levels can fluctuate. Her dose of replacement hormone may need adjusting. She might want to mention the fatigue to her doctor and see if she can have thyroid function tests done, including tests for FT4, FT3, and TSH.
Aug 19, 2008 10:56 PM
Guest :
Many Thanks to the neurologist in Washington investigating the relationship between severe migraine and thyroid antibodies. I presented with an HE that consisted primarily of severe, almost daily migraines. I also had profound fatigue and more subtle focal deficits and ataxia that came and went, but still not the stereotypical HE pattern if there is such a thing (each case is different)- it took me 8 years to get diagnosed. I expect that many patients will get diagnosed faster through the Kirkland doctor's efforts. We now treat my migraines not just with verapamil and a triptan, but with low dose steroids during the attacks.
For the other guest who wrote in about her sister: in addition to the prednisone taper causing fatigue, I have read that steroids block the production and secretion of TSH and perhaps even block the conversion of inactive thyroid hormone (T4) to active hormone (T3). To what extent this can contribute to the fatigue of the taper itself, I'm not sure. In theory, this could make one a little bit hypothyroid, although your sister probably gets all of her hormone now through medication (since her gland was removed) and so isn't affected by TSH levels but may be affected by the latter mechanism. My TSH dropped in half (to below normal) while I was on my first big pulse and taper of prednisone. I did not feel better until a few days after the steroids were stopped, but then I felt better than I had in years.
I hope your sister is doing well now.
Aug 30, 2008 10:37 AM
Guest :
I've been diagnosed with Hashimoto's and have recovered much of my attention issues but I am still struggling with memory/word finding. I live in the Bellevue, WA area. Could you tell me the name of the neurologist who is familiar with Hashimoto's and helped you?
Aug 30, 2008 11:19 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hello Guest from Bellevue, WA

You might want to check out this clinic because they're running a study you might be able to participate in.

Northwest Headache Clinic
13107 121st Way NE
Kirkland, WA 98034
(425) 899-6200

Sep 28, 2008 1:59 AM
Guest :
My daughter was diagnosed in august 08 .She is 11.We are having a very hard time finding a Dr who has treated children. If anyone out there knows of someone even a chance Please let me know.Alex has had very bad headaches since ahe was 4 years old.
Oct 28, 2008 2:32 PM
Guest :
I have HE and I have been struggling with it for about a year. I was diagnosed first in feb. of 2008 but this diagnosis was only recently confirmed. I am 17 years old now. I see a doctor named Dr. William Gallentine at Duke Hospital in Durham NC. I beleive this might help the guest with the 11 year old daughter. There are also good doctors at UNC, like Dr. Greenwood (I think that's his name, I can't remember) and Dr. Tracy Schaefer is the woman who diagnosed me, although I would NOT recommend her as a Dr.
In other news, I also have problems with finding words!!! I thought it was just me. Thank you Guest from Bellvue WA! I feel much better now!
I really hope that your daughter (guest with 11 yr. old daughter) finds help. HE is not easy to deal with.
I strongly recommend Plasmapheresis (also called plasma exchange) and IVIG treatment. these treatments are wonderful because they provide the results of Prednisone with out the horrible effects. really, if you have HE please insist that your doctor at least try these treatments. they are worth it for too many reasons to count.
Durham, NC
Nov 23, 2008 5:06 PM
Guest :
Thank you for your comments on H.E. My daughter who is 14 years old has recently been diagnosed. She did respond well to prednisone buther doctors are now going to try Plasma.Since once they tapered her off she relapsed. What worked best for you and what were your symptoms. Thank You,
Dec 21, 2008 3:15 PM
Guest :
I have been diagnosed with H.E. I had 5 IVIG treatments in Aug. I had previously had steroid treatments, but the side-effects were causing my body havoc. I was much better for two weeks. Because of the relapse we went to once a month. Because I relapsed quickly we went to twice a month. I have not responded very well to my last two treatments. I have not noticed any difference. I am beginning to loose hope that the IVIG treatements are going to work. Any similar experiences.
Jan 29, 2009 5:11 AM
Guest :
I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis years ago. My levels are extremely elevated. I have been having seizures for over 6 months now and they can't figure out why. When I suggested it might be HE, the doctors just told me that it is too rare and refuse to try using corticosteroids on me. The seizure medicine isn't helping any and I exhibit quite a few of the symptoms mentioned in this article. I am at my wits end in trying to get help.
Jan 29, 2009 10:08 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Can you contact the clinic in WA that's listed in the first comment here? They at least seem to know the problem exists. I've been hearing from other people who are having a hard time getting a diagnosis and proper treatment.
I'm sorry you're having a hard time getting the help you need and hope you can find a contact through these comments that can help you. Best, Elaine
Jan 31, 2009 4:42 PM
Guest :
Hello, I live in Boise, ID. I was diagnosed with regular Hashimoto's disease in the last year. I was referred to an immunologist/reumatologist when it wasn't getting better, but worse. He ruled out Lupus (was having high ana's up and down) and told me it looked like Hashimoto's encepholopathy after reviewing my symptoms and mri. He said he did follow up on a woman in Boise who could not get diagnosed here and had to go to they Mayo Clinic to get diagnosed, and that I presented like she did. Does anyone know where I can go that is near Idaho? I went to an neurologist here, and he didn't know anything about Hashimoto's or Hashimoto's encepholopathy and suggested maybe I just had sleep apnea or that I should see a shrink. It was distressing and I don't know where to turn.
Feb 6, 2009 7:07 PM
Guest :
My wife was diagnosed wiyh HE in nov. 2008. she has had two series of plasmapherises(12 sessions) and is now taking 60mg of prednisone daily. She responds well to the pp treatments, but each time she relapses after about 10 days. We would love to hear from anyone with similar circumstances or any additional help.
Feb 7, 2009 11:09 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I've been reading lately of neurological symptoms in gluten sensitivity aggravating Hashimoto's thyroiditis and encephalopathy. Studies have also shown that in people with both gluten sensitivity and Hashimoto's, a gluten free diet reduces thyroid antibodies as well as the antibodies seen in gluten sensitivity. A gluten free diet involves avoiding wheat, rye and barley. It sounds like your wife is getting adequate treatment, but a trial of avoiding gluten might yield a solution to avoiding relapses. Best, Elaine
Mar 4, 2009 8:15 PM
Guest :
I have HE/SREAT and was wondering if anyone else out there also has been experiencing either shortness of breath and/or urinary urgency and frequency?
I started having these symptoms when I got sick with the HE/SREAT, but have never heard of them being associated with the disease. So far, no other causes of my symptoms have been found, so I'm wondering if other HE/SREAT patients might also have them.
Mar 9, 2009 1:17 PM
Guest :
my 19 yr old daughter was diagnosed with HE today after 2 seizures one b4 xmas 2009 and anther oe mnth later both puttin her in a coma and bein ventelate, we have spent all day lookin on the internet about HE she has recovered very well mentally but mobility and tremours are a big problem, she is on anti seizura meds only, durin the addmittions into ITU she has suffered from alapesia, we are hopin that she returns back to universitiy in sept but are worried incase she relaps, any information is greatly recieved. thanks claire
Mar 9, 2009 2:36 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear of your daughter's condition and glad that she received a proper diagnosis. Did your daughter have a high titer of thyroid antibodies? In the United States your daughter can go to the hospital's medical records department and pick up copies of all her test results.

Typically, thyroid antibody levels are very high in HE and drugs to slow down the immune system, such as corticosteroids, are used. It would be good to see if her thyroid antibody levels declined during her hospitalization.

It seems her doctors would have plans to routinely test her thyroid hormone levels to make sure that they're not rising. Some anticonvulsants also affect thyroid hormone levels and it's a good idea to run thyroid hormone levels as well within a few months of starting meds. Best to you and your family, Elaine
Mar 13, 2009 6:13 AM
Guest :
I was diagnosed with HE or Sreat a few days ago. My tyroid peroxidase level was 1050 which I gather was a very high number. About 12 years ago I had severe migraines & then over the years I have addeds symtoms such as extreme fatigue, loss of cognative abilities, muscle twitching, vertigo, pain in muscles and joints, foggy headedness, ect, ect. I have been unable to work for for a little over 4 months and as a result I have lost my job. I was just wondering if most patients that have treatment are able to return to work or is this more of a permanent disability situation. Am I likely to gain back some of the energy, cognative abilities ect? Are relapses likely to occur with a frequency that would make it hard to retain a job?
Mar 13, 2009 8:27 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
If you're in the U.S. you might want to check into the American with disabilities act....the law changed in 2009 and people like you who should get disability are more likely to get it.

Depending on the severity of your condition, you should see improvement but it's hard to say how much improvement you'll see. Best to you, Elaine
Mar 29, 2009 12:09 PM
Guest :
Doctors found my Hashimoto's about 5 year ago. The past two years I have been suffering what they call Tension headaches.. chronic they are! I often find myself losing short term memory as I feel like I have so much going on in the mind that I can't concentrate. I keep wondering if I have a start of HE? Anyone experience similar symtpoms? I am 29f. Pain is in back of head..a burning pain. MRI has ruled out all major issues.
Apr 24, 2009 5:46 PM
Guest :
In response to the 3/13/09 and 3/29/09 posts, here are some of the things i experienced with my HE. I went undiagnosed for about 7 years and was only diagnosed 2 years ago. My illness seemed to start with a lot of headaches. Some were tension-type headaches (or stiff neck) which prompted me to go to physical therapy for neck exercises and massage. Others were more severe migraine-like headaches behind my left eye- it would feel like someone rammed a baseball bat into my eye socket. At times, these were almost daily. Now they are about 12 episodes per month.
I also experienced A LOT of fatigue, which many days left me bed-ridden. I was in professional school at the time, and I had to take a lot of time off for this, which was frustrating because I used to be an avid hiker and quite a go-getter. I also had cognitive slowing, problems with language (word-finding and grammar), memory issues, personality changes (I became easily irritated which is not how I used to be). I also experienced problems with balance and coordination (also known as ataxia- the symptom which prompted referral to a movement disorder neurologist who ultimately diagnosed the HE and thyroiditis). I dropped and broke a lot of dishes and had trouble with fine motor movements like painting and doing buttons or shoelaces. I also had a lot of muscle twitches all over at random intervals and muscle groups, and some myoclonic whole body jerks at night. I also had a lot of the symptoms of hypothyroidism, but because my TSH was always normal, was reassured repeatedly that my thyroid was okay. I thought I was going crazy before I got diagnosed.
Both my primary neurologist as well as the movement disorder specialist have declared me disabled, even after several pulse and taper treatments of steroids and being on thyroid replacement. Unfortunately, i have spent so much time in school that I do not have the social security credits to go on disability and am looking into home employment, which will still be quite exhausting. I would urge the person who has been unable to work to discuss her level of functioning with her neurologist and get the ball rolling on disability status if she has enough social security credits. If she does not have enough credits, perhaps her state has a department of rehabilitation, which can offer guidance on working with a disability. In my opinion, HE is a tough disease to function with because it affects your whole brain and can really slow you down mentally and physically.
May 23, 2009 7:26 AM
Guest :
I AM 61 YEAR OLD FEMALE AND HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED RECENTLY WITH HE/SREAT AFTER HAVING A GRAND MAL SEIZURE. I HAD BEEN GOING TO DOCTORS SINCE DECEMBER .... BUT MY PROBLEMS STARTED MUCH EARLIER. IT WAS THOUGHT THAT I HAD A STROKE....HAD SYMPTOMS BUT ALL MY BRAIN SCANS ..EEG,MRA,MRE ETC WERE ALL NORMAL . I AM WONDERING WHAT THE BAD SIDE EFFECTS OF PREDISONE ARE. I HAVE BEEN ON IT SINCE MID APRIL AND AM NOW COMMING OFF IT. I ALSO HAVE NOTICED THAT MY HAND TREMORS ARE INCREASING AND I FEEL LIGHT HEADED SOME TIMES ....IS THAT A SIGN OF
RELASPE??????
May 23, 2009 9:09 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hello,

Corticosteroids in high doses have potentially serious side effects, but they also offer many benefits in conditions such as HE.
See www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/corticosteroid_therapy

You would need to ask your doctor if your symptoms suggest a relapse and if a longer course of therapy is needed. Best, Elaine
Jun 20, 2009 8:24 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
You could post your email address in a message hear and ask others to contact you. Or you could call the number for the place in Washington and see if they know of any online support group. I wish you well, Elaine
Jul 15, 2009 3:03 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,

It's fortunate that the Ochsner Clinic diagnosed you so quickly. HE responds well to steroids, and getting a proper diagnosis is half of the battle. Keep Well, Elaine
Jul 15, 2009 4:10 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It's unfortunate that your doctor dismissed your symptoms and positive TPO antibody levels so easily. You might check with the Northwest Headache Clinic in Washington to see if they have any referrals for your area. You might also go to PubMed and look for journal articles on the topic. The authors typically provide email addresses and may be able to steer you to someone in your area. An endocrinologist associated with a university may be a good choice. Best, Elaine
Jul 22, 2009 8:16 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm glad to hear that you finally received a correct diagnosis and are showing such a good response to steroids. Best to you and thanks for sharing your story, Elaine
Jul 27, 2009 11:25 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Corticosteroids are the main line treatment for HE. Your doctor probably cut your dose to see if you could get by on a lower dose. Since your symptoms returned, you likely need a higher dose to control your symptoms. Best, Elaine
Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear your father was diagnosed with HE. However, getting a proper diagnosis is often the hardest part of this disease. Most patients respond well to corticosteroids. You might want to call the neurology department at the University of Chicago and see if someone there can help you. Best, Elaine
Aug 24, 2009 5:38 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Does your daughter have the high thyroid antibodies seen in Hashimoto's encephalopathy? She may have HE along with another condition causing a seizure disorder. An MRI and CAT Scan would be helpful. Best, Elaine
Aug 24, 2009 5:41 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I forgot to mention that seizures are also associated with the use of aspartame in diet sodas, sugarless chewing gums, etc. Best, Elaine
Aug 24, 2009 5:48 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Spinal fluid protein is elevated and high levels of TPO antibodies are seen in HE. These antibodies persist for several months after they're produced so even with corticosteroids reducing production of new antibodies, symptoms don't generally resolve at once. Best, Elaine
Aug 27, 2009 11:01 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Lewy Body dementia causes some changes that are seen on brain scans and other imaging tests. Patients with HE have high levels of thyroid antibodies. I don't believe corticosteroids cause improvement in LBD but they help in HE. Best, Elaine
Aug 31, 2009 9:58 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I don't know of any doctors in Missouri offhand, but you might want to try this link:
www.drscore.com/physicianlist.cfm?w=MO
Also, see if you can get your primary care physician to order tests for thyroglobulin, TPO and TSH receptor antibodies so you'll have this information for your appointment. You may want to look for a neurologist. Best, Elaine
Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM
Guest :
I was diagnosed with Hashimotos three years ago. I have been on Synthroid, Levoxyl and now Armour Thyroid. My memory is non-existant, I have no emotion and I feel like I am walking in a fog. I do not have a life and I want mine back. I have tremors in on my left side and have lost my confidence to do anything. I am afraid to drive. I live in Austin, TX. Does anyone know who can help.
Oct 5, 2009 3:55 PM
Guest :
I have been worked up for a dx of HE since mid June and followed up today with a dx of HE. Although right now I remain symptommatic, I am debating FMLA vs disabillity because some days it is impossible to function. Any words of advice?
Oct 5, 2009 4:32 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Since you were just diagnosed I'd put in for FMLA and ask your doctor how much time off he thinks you need to see if meds help. I'm assuming he prescribed prednisone and may have to taper the dose and you may have side effects to deal with. Ultimately, your doctor will have to ok your request for sick time off or disability.
I've heard from two people recently whose HE improved using low dose naltrexone. You might want to read my articles on LDN and ask your doctor about this possibility. While there aren't any published studies on its use in HE, it offers benefits in autoimmune disorders and for reducing inflammation. Because it's inexpensive and side effects are minimal he or she might consider it. Best, Elaine
Jan 7, 2010 12:33 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Claire,
Thanks for the update on your daughter. I'm sorry to hear of her relapse and glad to hear she's doing better now. I suspect her thyroglobulin antibody level had the value of 4,000. Over time, steroids can help lower this level. Best to you both, Elaine
Jan 8, 2010 8:22 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear about your mother. Other immunosuppressants are sometimes used as corticosteroid-sparing drugs, meaning that they're given along with corticosteroids used at a lower dose than previously. You might want to do a search on PubMed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ and see if you can find any journal articles there regarding other drug therapies used in HE. IVIG therapy and plasma exchange are both used with good results. Best, elaine
Jan 26, 2010 7:45 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
27 is young to be diagnosed with HE and it's not a common cause of seizures in young people. It's good that you've been diagnosed now and hopefully you're now starting treatment with steroids or other immunosuppressants that can keep your symptoms in control. Anything you can do to help your immune system heal and reduce thyroid antibody production can help. Best, Elaine
Jan 27, 2010 10:10 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Luddie,
The elevated TSH means that your daughter is now hypothyroid and does need more thyroid replacement hormone. In hypothyroidism, as the body tries correcting the problem, activity increases, including thyroid antibody production. Adding Synthroid corrects both the hypothyroidism and eventually helps lower thyroid antibodies. Best, Elaine
Feb 1, 2010 3:42 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The titer of TPO antibodies is more variable in HE than it is in Hashimoto's thyroiditis (HT). In general, TPO antibodies are considered markers of inflammation more than cell destruction. In Hashimoto's thyroiditis TPO Abs are usually much higher than yours. Thyroglobulin antibodies are also much higher in HT, and they're typically moderately high like 500 or so in HE.
But you have to consider that these antibodies are measured in the blood circulation. You could have higher antibody levels in thyroid and brain tissue and lower levels in the circulation.
In other words, antibody levels can't be used to diagnose HE or any of the thyroid disorders, although they can establish that thyroid autoimmunity is present.
And in autoimmune thyroid disease, a drop in thyroid antibodies is a good prognostic sign. Best, Elaine
Feb 11, 2010 7:36 PM
Guest :
I have a 12 year old son diagnosed with HE. His most troublesome symptom is memory loss (amnesia). He's had four episodes lasting between 1 - 10 days. Now without prednisone he losses his memory within two days. IVIG or very high dose prednisone has been the only things that will bring him back. I haven't heard any other stories of memory loss, just short term memory loss. His is actually complete memory loss but it does come back so it's not lost forever. Anyone else out there have this symptom? I'm particularly interested in children with this symptom.
Mar 21, 2010 10:22 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
In Hashimoto's thyroiditis, both thyroglobulin and TPO antibodies are elevated quite a bit. The thyroglobulin antibodies destroy thyroid cells and cause hypothyroidism whereas the TPO antibodies are markers of active inflammation.

Hashimoto's itself can cause mental fog and it can cause joint pain. Many of us with hypothyroidism comment that we have neck pain when our levels are low.

It could be that your thyroid hormone levels aren't optimal. You may want to keep copies of your lab results and make sure that you're being tested with both FT4 and FT3 levels and that these levels are optimal. The TSH level can be misleading if you also have TSH receptor antibodies.

If you did have HE, hydrocortisone would be used to treat it and most people see improvement quickly. It doesn't sound like you have HE though. You can have symptoms caused by the hydrocortisone or the thyroid levels being off. Adrenal insufficiency is very rare compared to thyroid disease and you want to be sure your diagnosis was confirmed with dynamic function tests. Often, getting on adequate replacement hormone corrects any mild adrenal insufficiency. Corticosteroids are the cause of most secondary adrenal insufficiency. Best, Elaine
Apr 2, 2010 4:47 PM
Jen Christ :
Hi...My identical twin was just diagnosed with Hashimoto's disease and has been telling me to get checked...problem is I have no ins. :( ~ @ age 22 I began having 20-40 complex partial seizures a day with loss of spatial memory,short term memory and word finding(including speaking backwards)...then @ age 25 I had my right temporal lobe removed...yet...I'm still having seizures...I'm showing every sign of HE...including the colitis...I had part of my bowel removed too...is there something I can do to be tested for this...when I have no ins.?? despite all the surgeries...I continue to worsen!... can someone help me? thanks...Jen
Apr 2, 2010 9:34 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Jen,
I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well. With your identical twin having Hashimoto's there's a good chance you could have also have an autoimmune thyroid disorder. It'd be a good idea to have tests for thyroid antibodies to see if you're at risk for HE. Check in your area to see if there are reduced-fee services. Some doctors (boutique offices) don't use insurance and have patients pay a set fee. Best, Elaine
Apr 23, 2010 11:49 AM
Elaine Moore :
I'm glad to hear your father is responding well to steroids. HE is an autoimmune condition. People inherit genes that predispose them to developing a number of different autoimmune conditions. About 20% of the population has these genes although only about 5% of people develop autoimmune diseases. Environmental triggers and other organ specific genes influence what, if any, autoimmune disease one inherits. HE is not a congenital disorder. Best, Elaine
May 25, 2010 9:52 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi, some of the symptoms you mention are seen in hypothyroidism and adequate replacement hormone might help. For a diagnosis of HE, the presence of TPO and/or thyroglobulin antibodies suggests the disorder and a good response to corticosteroids confirms it. best, elaine
May 29, 2010 10:55 AM
Elaine Moore :
Thanks so much for sharing your information and providing the excellent contact information for patients in the AZ area. Many patients would travel across the country to find a doctor who can help with HE. Best to you, Elaine
May 30, 2010 6:32 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It's not that Western doctors don't look into causes of HE. Today it's more about taking care of diagnosis and finding therapies to reduce symptoms. Many doctors today are limited by insurance constraints and aren't able to spend as much time with patients as they did in the past. An exception would be an integrationist physician who would offer both conventional and Eastern therapies. Patient empowerment includes taking charge and looking into environmental causes, especially when it comes to autoimmune illnesses. best, elaine
May 31, 2010 2:57 AM
DaniMH :
My hypothyroidism was diagnosed three years ago; however, it was just recently realized that I had Hashimoto's. If anyone would like some info on a great HE doctor here is his name and the clinic:
University Physician Clinics (University of Arizona)
Dr. Miguel Estevez
(520) 694-8888
2800 E Ajo Way
Tucson, AZ 85714.
That is the main number for new patients to set up appointments. I really am glad I found him. He never talks down to me when explaining things although I easily understand it with my background, but he helps explain the stuff to my family members. I have trouble with finding words to explain it non-medically and it gets me frustrated so he is great. His idea about going about trying all the different things to help with HE is to start with "safer" therapies first then progress to more "difficult" therapies. He likes to start first with an anti-malaria drug (Plaquenil is what I tried). Next is IVIG, then steriods, or plasmapheresis. Our last resort will be cyclosporine and other transplant drugs. For me being only 21, I would like to try things that could cause less fetal harm when I try to have children.
Elaine, both my antibody markers for hypo & hyper were positive. My neurologist says he hasn't seen an HE patient before with this unusually occurance. I for sure have hypothyroidism, yet this seems a bit odd. My TPO titer is so high that the lab isn't even giving values, it just shows >6500 because it stops counting at 6500. My doctor is also just amazed at this level and had the labs repreated just to make sure it wasn't some mix up. Has anyone ever had these particulars associated with their HE/thyroid disease?
May 31, 2010 3:00 AM
DaniMH :
My hypothyroidism was diagnosed three years ago; however, it was just recently realized that I had Hashimoto's. If anyone would like some info on a great HE doctor here is his name and the clinic:
University Physician Clinics (University of Arizona)
Dr. Miguel Estevez
(520) 694-8888
2800 E Ajo Way
Tucson, AZ 85714.
That is the main number for new patients to set up appointments. I really am glad I found him. He never talks down to me when explaining things although I easily understand it with my background, but he helps explain the stuff to my family members. I have trouble with finding words to explain it non-medically and it gets me frustrated so he is great. His idea about going about trying all the different things to help with HE is to start with "safer" therapies first then progress to more "difficult" therapies. He likes to start first with an anti-malaria drug (Plaquenil is what I tried). Next is IVIG, then steriods, or plasmapheresis. Our last resort will be cyclosporine and other transplant drugs. For me being only 21, I would like to try things that could cause less fetal harm when I try to have children.
Elaine, both my antibody markers for hypo & hyper were positive. My neurologist says he hasn't seen an HE patient before with this unusually occurance. I for sure have hypothyroidism, yet this seems a bit odd. My TPO titer is so high that the lab isn't even giving values, it just shows >6500 because it stops counting at 6500. My doctor is also just amazed at this level and had the labs repreated just to make sure it wasn't some mix up. Has anyone ever had these particulars associated with their HE/thyroid disease?
May 31, 2010 2:37 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
In people with Hashimoto's, TPO antibodies are often above 6500. We don't measure them any higher as there's no need to. TPO abs are seen in both hyperT and hypoT and are indicators of inflammation. Nearly everyone with Hashimoto's also has thyroglobulin antibodies and a number of patients also have TSH receptor antibodies. This isn't unusual. I hope you respond well to the meds. best, elaine
Jun 24, 2010 11:38 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
In researching LDN, you may have noticed that I wrote the book The Promise of Low Dose Naltrexone Therapy. I've also written several articles on LDN for suite 101. I use it myself to lower thyroid and gliadin antibodies. And I've heard from many patients whose thyroid antibody levels have fallen. Although there hasn't been any research on LDN and HE, it would be definitely worth trying especially since any side effects are minimal. Best, Elaine
Jul 5, 2010 7:54 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Be sure your doctor is checking your husband's calcium and PTH levels since low calcium levels can cause some of the symptoms you're mentioning. Often, calcium is temporarily low after thyroidectomy and it can also be low if the parathyroid glands were damaged. Also ask your doctor about a trial of steroids as well. If the endo isn't helpful check with your GP. Best, Elaine
Jul 23, 2010 8:16 AM
Elaine Moore :
hair loss is seen in Hashimoto's thyroiditis when thyroid hormone levels are too low for the body's needs. People with HE often have thyroiditis.
Nov 7, 2010 12:35 PM
Elaine Moore :
I haven't heard of the chest or gastric constriction occurring in HE, but it could result from hypothyroidism. Certain thyroid antibodies falsely lower TSH so make sure your thyroid status is being evaluated with FT4 and FT3 levels.
Feb 19, 2011 10:38 PM
Guest :
My 15 year old son has been diagnosed with HE. I live in Orlando Fl. and cannot find a pediatric neurologist or endocrinologist that is comfortable treating this disease. Do you have any information on pediatric doctors in Florida that have treated this illness?
Feb 27, 2011 1:04 AM
Guest :
I am a scientist who specialized in neuroscience (I'm an electrical engineer now) and I have had HE for 2 years. My symptoms first started like a stroke, but then were daily migraines until I was diagnosed and treated. I see one of the neurologists someone posted, he's great! I have tried high dose steroids, mini-chemo (Plaquenil), IVIG, and plasmapheresis. I had the absolute worst time with all of these. I only just turned 28, btw and was an athlete. The steroids gave me ventricular tachycardia, terrible anxiety, and a buffalo hump. Plaquenil was mildly helpful with the headaches, now I'm weaning off. IVIG was an utter failure and I got aseptic meningitis from it. Plasmapheresis was by far the worst. I would not recommend that to anyone because it's incredible invasive and has an extraordinarily low success rate. Besides, it's only temporary, as the antibodies will come back, so you keep having to subject yourself to this torture. I'd NEVER do it again. On Tuesday, I begin Imuran. As far as I know, stronger chemo/anti-rejection medicine is the last thing in the literature to try for HE. Oh, I am on a gluten free diet, and it helped with my horribly rapid weight loss, nothing else. I have such swelling in my brain, in the medial left cerebellar region controlling balance and coordination, I can no longer walk and am in a wheelchair. BTW, that's the area of the brain where the anti-TPO antibodies typically bind. Coincidence???? I think not.
I am on maintenance steroids (hydrocortisone) because my adrenal glands have shut down and I go into adrenal shock if I stop the low dose steroids (equivalent to the cortisol the adrenals would naturally produce on their own).
I have answers to a lot of people's experience questions:
- I get seizures and migraines because of the lesion (not sure if it actually is a lesion because of the severe swelling on the scans) and hypoperfusion in my brain. This was shown by a SPECT and MRI compared. Everyone with HE should get a SPECT and MRI. But caution: most docs are not familiar with SPECTs. I went to grad school for neuroscience and am currently in school becoming a nurse practitioner with an emphasis in chronic neurological disorders, so I'm lucky I'm up on all the recent research, treatments and tests. SPECT is an EXCELLENT diagnostic tool for HE.
- I used to perform research EEGs on a daily basis. Medical EEGs are just plain bad IMO. I could go on for days about why, but there's no point to here. Unless money is not an issue, an EEG is useless in diagnosing or treating HE. It's no wonder most people's come back 'normal' or with 'diffuse slowing' or 'inconclusive' like mine did. I get seizures frequently, yet the EEG didn't pick that up because you basically have to be having a bad seizure at the moment of the EEG for it to record it. Useless, yet every doctor orders one. CTs are also mostly useless in this case. The bottom line scans that should be done are MRI (to get a physical picture of the brain) and SPECT (to get how the brain is functioning). Then compare them.
- Children exhibit symptoms different from adults, so be aware that there are things that you may not realize are significant HE symptoms in a child, but they are.
- I too get shortness of breath, as do a lot of others with HE. Hypoperfusion (decreased blood flow in the brain) has been a topic of a lot of HE papers, and was proven in my SPECT. This would likely cause shortness of breath, as not enough oxygen is getting to the brain.
- I get an increased urination urgency at the onset of a flair up / episode (I don't call it a relapse because I have not experienced remission, and I tend to link those words), it's one of my signs to take some prednisone immediately to stop the flair from becoming full blown.
- my experience and the experience of my doctor who has many HE patients shows that those of us with HE have issues with sensory overstimulation. If many of you think back, some of your symptoms may have popped back up in a stressful situation, or a situation like shopping at a store with lots of people, colorful signs, lights, etc. A lot of HE patients have trouble driving at night... the lights.
- Since you posted on the relationship between LDN and HE, I know a lot of people on LDN for HE (including myself) and it doesn't help. It hasn't even lowered the antibodies. However, it has helped people with HT manage their thyroid levels and "thyroid depression" meaning something a lot of HE/HT patients experience that they think is depression is actually caused by their thyroid levels being out of whack.
- Selenium derived from from L-selenomethionine has been proven in 2 Greek studies (they are on PubMed if you do a search) to reduce anti-TPO antibodies by up to 21% and then plateaus in 6 months. A simple OTC supplement... worth a try. I just started it. But it has to be from L-selenomethionine and I have only found 2 manufacturers who make it, but it's only like $3 a bottle for a months supply.
- Memory loss and "brain fog": absolutely an HE symptom, but also a side effect of long term steroid use.
- Besides gluten aggrivating HE, so do viruses and parasites. Since I had recently declined in my health so rapidly, I was checked for parasites and I have both a parasite and bacteria. The doctor (not my neuro) said the parasite was a very unusual one, but I used to swim in lakes in foreign countries during my hikes, so it might not be an unusual parasite in another country. So she thinks the parasite and bacteria are aggrivating the mucus lining of my body (I have other skin and ENT problems). She thinks getting rid of the parasite and bacteria will help with the gluten sensitivity, then that would help with the HE. Again, worth a shot. But the meds to kill the parasite are wearing me out, she said it's because my immune system is so supressed right now, I have a hard time fighting off anything. And I have noticed this is true. A simple cold will lay me out for days.
- Someone mentioned no insurance... Well, finally there's some decent help. Some friends and I recently started a non-profit organization called Help for HE Inc. And when I say recently, I mean the lawyer finished the paperwork last month... But we have already colleted quite a lot in donations and we're ready to help. I am fortunate to have excellent insurance and a great job, so I wanted to help those in my shoes (having HE) who don't have those benefits. I'm not even allowed to take any of the money for my personal benefit because I'm president of the corporation.
So that was a lot of information, but as a scientist, I have read almost every paper on HE/STREAT/NAIM, encephalopathy... there is out there, even ones in the different languages I speak. I have a website collecting that info, all the most recent studies and my explanations of them. I have even developed a new treatment algorithm for HE. It works for me and one other person tried it and it worked for them (for treating flair-ups, not the initial treatment). This goes against what the 2007 (I think or 2004) Mayo article gave as a treatment algorithm that doctors unfamiliar with the disease just follow. Ah, but such is science... always coming up with something new (and hopefully better)! Mine is much more delicate on the body, has way less corticosteroids, and includes IV magnesium. Magnesium is a natural muscle relaxant and headache reducer and you can't OD on it. Also, if the pain is more severe, toradol (Rx) or ibuprofen (dye-free for those gluten intolerant) and benadryl. Somehow benadryl enhances the effect of the anti-inflammatory properties of these meds. I haven't really looked into what mechanism causes that yet, but an ER doc told me about it, and it does work.
I'm working with a neurobiologist and neurologist to get a case study or at least a medical article done. Also why I needed the non-profit, to get corporations on board to support it.
Feeling fatigued? I get an IV Myer's cocktail at least monthly, every other day when the HE has me bad. Google it. It's the best thing ever. Has the mag and all the Bs to boost the nervous system (which is being attacked by the antibodies). It does not work even a millionth as well if taken in pill form. Once the IV flows, I feel ten times better instantly. The nurses find it amazing it works so well and so fast for me. But most docs will not do Myer's, I get mine from a naturopath.
I've never posted to this site, I found it because I googled my doctor's name, LOL! So If anyone wants information, or needs help (like from Help for HE Inc) I'd be happy to give that info. I just don't know how all this is moderated. Perhaps, Elaine Moore, the author must contact me? Please, I would like to help people. Thanks so much for reading.
Feb 27, 2011 7:35 PM
Elaine Moore :
Thanks for all the information on HE and the Meyer's cocktail. Be sure to read my article on reducing TPO antibodies with selenium, which fits in with what you've said.
I have no way of contacting you but you can contact me through the suite101 website. see the link with the copyright information at the end of the article.
Mar 7, 2011 12:18 PM
Guest :
My Dr's are not giving me answers as to why I have these symptoms. My TSH has been at 0.02 I believe and my antibodies over 1000. All other labs are normal, but my vision is horrible, memory bad, I feel not like myself anymore and I have migraines 24/7. I constantly see crap in my vision like lights flashing, tracers, afterimages etc. Could this be H.E. My mri came back normal... remarkable actually.
Mar 7, 2011 2:23 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I think I responded to you via email but now that I see you're mentioning eye signs with a low TSH, I'd like you to also look into Euthyroid Graves' disease. I have several articles on this topic. You'd want to also be tested for TSH receptor antibodies.
Mar 29, 2011 3:44 AM
Guest :
Thank you ever so much for your site and your thoughtful responses to the posts! My mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's last year but all along I have been convinced her short term memory loss has to do with her thyroid levels and having had her goiter removed due to Hashimoto's many years ago. She is on Levothyroxine and her thyroid levels come back normal but she is cold ALL the time. And apparently Levothyroxine can also be associated with memory loss. http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/levothyroxine+sodium/short-term+memory+loss (although hard to distinguish chicken or egg there?) She is now in her 70's but the short term memory loss has been getting worse over 20 years, and I think started long before that when we were kids. She has recently had vertigo that could not be explained, so thanks for that association. Your article gave me hope that we can find someone to look into this diagnosis in Boise, Idaho (!) and that she might be able to get some help. Her mother had debilitating migraines her whole life and autoimmune problems. I am also wondering about how accepted SREAT is as a disease at this point and whether that is the thing to suggest rather than HE? Thanks for your thoughts!
I searched for the non profit organization the person who previously wrote mentioned, if you did want to contact her you could try this link: http://helpforhe.wordpress.com/about/
Mar 29, 2011 3:31 PM
Guest :
Hello,
I am trying to figure out if this is what I have. Do you know anyone in the Grand Rapids, MI area that could diagnose me?
Apr 7, 2011 3:59 PM
Guest :
Hello , I was just diagnosed with HE, hospitalized for one week, went to hospital with stroke symptoms, but then they realized I had HE. I took steroids for 4 weeks and am off but starting to feel the symptoms again, tremors, memory loss, shakes, fatigue, I feel that the left side of my face droops and I can’t pronounce, I sometimes bite the inner part of my mouth and don’t coordinate well, even writing is difficult. I have had a difficult time finding a good neurologist in Riverside, CA area, can you recommend one that has HE experience in the Riverside or San Diego California area, I would appreciate it very much. I need help, thanks,
Apr 7, 2011 9:22 PM
Guest :
IM not sure how to ask questions on this forum :) I was dx with HE today and just wanted some direction on educated myself, had 5 day iv treatment 2 and half months ago and just finished 3 day iv treatment today all steriod out but walking better and thinking clearer :) dr gonna start me on autoimmune suppressants, very scary dx tere isnt alot of research out there and very few education on the damage that it has done on my body and brain, look to think i will be back to 100 percent after more treatment, is this how it works as long as we follow meds and treatments for relapse thanks Barbara
Apr 8, 2011 11:24 AM
Elaine Moore :
In Riverside CA you might consider checking out this tremor center: http://www.medicinenet.com/tremor/riverside-ca_city.htm
be sure to read through all the comments here. there are links to some good treatment centers.
I hope you find improvement and a caring doctor.
Apr 20, 2011 12:37 PM
Guest :
I have a daughter age 18 who was diagnosed at the age of 7 ADHD/ Bipolar. At the age of 13 she was diagnosed with HE and psudotumors. She was put on 100mg Steroids and was on them for 2.5 years when was tapered t0 about 40 mg she started relapsing. Then the tried metheltrexate inj. they didn't work. Then we went to Imuran now since June 2010 she is relapsing again. Her care was at UNC with DR. Greenwood and They wanted to diagnose Chronic migraines, Abdominal migraine, Psudeotumors, and give her DHE for migraines when I found out her anit body level where high again and have been that way since june. I Pulled her for UNC and we now go to Duke. I hope we can get some answers now. She has Migraine, Irritability, Sever Aggression. Black out that can become violent, Tremors. i hope that we can soon find a answer
Apr 14, 2012 4:17 PM
Guest :
I have several questions of this forum as an HE patient and independent researcher. They go to other (mostly uest) comments and to the moderator :
-To the guest comment of Aug 19,2008 Indicating you had the big pulse and then a taper of prednisone to control HE. How long was the taper and did it go to zero ?mmmmmmmm
-To the HE patient looking for care in Boise Idaho. Jan 31, 2009 I may be able to recommend a neuoroligist, with the neuroligist's permission.
-To the Electrical Engineer Scientist of Feb 27 2011 : whre is your webste with recommended treatments ?
-To Elaine Moore : How do we interaract best with this blog ?
Apr 15, 2012 8:53 PM
Elaine Moore :
To the independent researcher: unfortunately, this isn't a blog. Patients can leave comments and I approve the comments and respond if needed. Many patients end up going to my website www.elaine-moore.com that has a Q&A board.
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