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This article describes the way patterns seen on the ANA test can be used to determine the specific antinuclear antibody that's present. This, in turn, helps determine wha

Antinuclear antibodies (ANA), which occur in a number of different autoimmune disorders including systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) and Sjogren's syndrome, target specific protein antigens present in the body's nucleated cells. The preferred method of testing for ANA is the immunofluorescent (IFA) technique, which is considered the gold standard. Alternative methods such as the enzyme linked ELISA method are more likely to cause false positive results. Another benefit of the IFA ANA test is that the ANA detected in the IFA results yield distinctive staining patterns in the nucleus or cytoplasm of the reagent cells used to perform the test. These staining patterns offer specific clues as to which particular antinuclear antibody or antibodies may be present.

The specific autoantibody that's present, in turn, gives the physician information as to what autoimmune disease may be present or what other specific autoantibody tests need to be performed. In some cases, more than one autoimmune disease (overlap syndromes) may be present, which causes more than one ANA pattern to be present in a sample.

Some patterns are more specific for particular diseases than others. For example, in SLE, a homogeneous pattern is present, whereas a nucleolar pattern is seen in scleroderma and a centromere pattern in the CREST variant of scleroderma. The type of pattern determines what antibodies might be present. For instance, in a homogeneous pattern, anti-DNA antibodies are possible and this test would be recommended, whereas it would not be recommended in patients who have a speckled pattern ANA. The most common secondary antibody tests performed based on ANA results include: anti-DNA, anti-Sm, anti-RNP, SS-A and SS-B.

The homogeneous/rim ANA pattern can be caused by: antibodies to double and single-stranded DNA (seen in SLE in high titers and in lower titers in other rheumatic diseases),; and antibodies to histones (seen in drug-induced lupus), and deoxynucleoprotein (seen in SLE). A speckled pattern can be caused by the following antibodies: Smith (Sm), which is diagnostic of SLE; nuclear RNP, which is seen in high titers in mixed connective tissue disease (MCTD) and SLE; SS-A (Ro), which is seen in Sjogren's syndrome and SLE; and SS-B (La), which is seen in Sjogren's syndrome.

The centromere pattern of ANA is seen in the CREST variant of scleroderma, which will be described in an upcoming article. A nucleolar pattern is caused by the following antibodies/antigens: RNA polymerase I, which is highly prevalent in scleroderma; fibrillarin and also DNA topoisomerase I (Scl-70), which are both seen in scleroderma; and PM-scL, which is seen in polymyositis. An MSA pattern is caused by antibodies to mitotic spindle apparatus and NuMa; these antibodies can be seen in carpal tunnel syndrome, SLE, and Sjogren's syndrome; the cytoplasmic nucleolus pattern is seen in polymyositis.

While these patterns offer excellent diagnostic clues for autoimmune diseases, antinuclear antibodies may be negative during periods of low disease activity or remission. Because titers of these antibodies tend to rise during flares of disease activity, specific antibody tests as well as ANA titers can be used to measure the response to treatment and disease prognosis.

Resources: Marc Golightly and Candace Golightly, Laboratory Diagnosis of Autoimmune Disease, Medical Laboratory Observer, July 2002.

Elaine Moore, Autoimmune Diseases and Their Environmental Triggers, Jefferson, NC: McFarland Publishing, 2002.

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Elaine Moore - I'm a retired medical technologist and medical writer with more than 30 years experience working in hospital laboratories. Currently, I ...

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Sep 5, 2008 11:05 PM
Guest :
I have all the symptoms of lupus and have lost 15 lbs. in past 2 months and am very weak/thin. Lupus specific tests show positive for ANAchoice(TM) screen, ANA pattern speckled, Antinuclear antibodies shows 1:16, and then two pages more of negative lab results for various lupus items. Does this mean I don't have lupus, or is it possible that I do have it?

Thank you for listening.
nvk
Sep 6, 2008 10:23 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi NVK,
Yours is a fairly low titer. Most references state that a result lower than 1:80 like yours isn't significant. Your doctor could do more specific tests for instance tests for dsDNA antibodies, which are more specific for lupus. However, with a speckled pattern, it's unlikely that you'd have dsDNA antibodies. The ANA is a general test, which causes positive results in many different conditions. Low titers can also be seen in normal people. Even if your ANA result was negative, the results can't be used to confirm that you don't have lupus because sometimes positive results only show up during flares. Sudden weight loss isn't typical in lupus. It's more common in thyroid disease, another condition that can cause a slight ANA elevation. Best, elaine
Sep 18, 2008 8:02 PM
Guest :
Can you give insight on these lab readings? Went to Dr. complaining of weakness, fatigue, loss of muscle control and stiff joints. Symptoms are totally random and come and go every few weeks, months sometimes days but rarely. Have an appointment with a specialist but am digging for information as I have two children who need a competent mommy! Here they are.....Everything is normal except : Two tests shows ANA titer at 1:80 and speckled another shows it at 1:80 and homogeneous. Potassium level is a bit high at 5.9 and ALK-P is at 178. A breakdown of ALK-P shows the Bone at 64 and the Liver at 114. Thank you for your time and any advice....
Sep 18, 2008 8:18 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The ANA test is a general screening test and it can come up positive in a number of conditions and also in normal people. The Alkaline phosphatase enzyme elevation is only a slight elevation and the fractionation shows that it's due to liver instead of bone. If the other liver function tests were normal, it could be elevated from certain medications, including acetaminophen (Tylenol) or even estrogens. Your doctor will want to repeat the potassium test result. If the phlebotomist had any trouble drawing your blood this can cause potassium to be falsely elevated. It would also be good to have thyroid function tests as hypothyroidism can sometimes cause a positive ANA and a test for rheumatoid factor. Best, Elaine
Sep 19, 2008 12:50 PM
Guest :
I am a 54 year old women and have tested several times positive ANA for Lupus, arthritis, fibro, no one seems to know what is wrong with me just keep referring me to another doctor to go and see. My recent labs show C-Reactive Protein 1.8, ABS Basophils 0.07, ABS Monocytes 0.27 ANA Pattern Nucleolar and ANA Titer 1:40. I had a bone scan and it showed areas of increased uptake in each knee and foot and moderate uptake in low thoracic spine. I am in a lot of pain and always very tired it gets harder and hard for me to get up every morning and go to work. I have had about every test you can think of adn with every test I am told something different and passed along to another doctor. Hope you can help and tell me where I should go from here.
Sep 19, 2008 5:47 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your best bet is to see a rheumatologist. Has the ANA titer ever been higher than 1:40? A level of 1:40 may not be significant. Monocytes are often elevated in recovery and basophils can be elevated in allergies. You could also ask for a test for scl70 antibodies. Best, Elaine
Sep 23, 2008 7:05 AM
Guest :
hi elaine,
my lab result for Rheumatoid Factor is <8.0 (can't remember the unit) and the lab personnel said it was ok, but my ANA test is positive with Speckled pattern, they also did anti DNA test for me and it was negative. i always have pain at joints part and it become worst during menstrual period. what does the lab result suggest?
Sep 23, 2008 9:40 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm not sure what units your lab is using but a < less than result usually means the level is too low to confirm that anything is there. Here's a link that describes the test further http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/ana/test.html
It explains that a speckled pattern can occur in several different conditions, but to diagnose any of these conditions you'd need further tests like ds DNA antibodies for lupus or an RF test to rheumatoid arthritis. With your results being low your doctor might want to wait to see if they rise. Best, Elaine
Sep 30, 2008 3:56 PM
Guest :
49 year old female no family history of Lupus
Blood tests ANA screen positive A
Ana Tither 1:640
ANA pattern Mixed spcekled and homogenous
Sed rate 23
no energy
Joint pain terrible
Hair loss
Dr has a suspicion of Lupus
I always thought there had to be a family history? Thanks bj
Oct 1, 2008 6:30 AM
Guest :
Hi.A 10 yr old boy has joint pain involving the small joints of hand and also wrists.On examination skin is shiny.ANA is positive in a titre of 1:80 and shows speckled pattern.What is the likely diagnosis?
Oct 1, 2008 10:40 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your doctor will likely run other tests, both blood and imaging tests, depending on your son's symptoms. A titer of 1:80 can occur in people in the normal population especially if they have a history of an autoimmune connective tissue disorder. Some medications will also cause a positive ANA test, including several antibiotics. Best, Elaine
Oct 1, 2008 11:30 AM
Elaine Moore :
Your labs could indicate several different conditions, including both drug related lupus (autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/drug_related_arthritis) and systemic lupus erythematosus. Your doctor will probably run more tests like histone antibodies and ds-DNA antibodies to help with your diagnosis.
A family history of lupus isn't necessary for lupus to develop although many people with lupus have a family history of autoimmune disease, including thyroid disorders and rheumatoid arthritis. Best to you, elaine
Oct 3, 2008 1:38 PM
Guest :
Guest:
I have positive ANA w/RF,titer 1:320- Homogeneous and nucleolar pattern, I also tested positive 2x for Lupus anticoag,and Beta 2 glycoprotein IGM,anti DNA positive for single strand AB IGG,titer of 497.All other auto immune tests are negative. My last PTT test was normal. no positive test results for Double strand DNA. Iam also told by my neurologist that I had small strokes. No one seems to give me any answers as to whats going on. Can you help? Thanks-PJW
Oct 3, 2008 4:53 PM
Guest :
Suffering with joint pain and would like help with my blood test results. Positive Anachoice (TM) screen with a ANA pattern of speckled and a Antinuclear antiboides as l:160 high. Also Sjogren's antiboidy l.2 positive
Oct 5, 2008 10:22 AM
Guest :
Hi My SED rate is high. I have had morning stiffness for minimum of 2 yrs. It takes over an hr to start moving. Balance is bad at that time too. I've been treated for faciatis in both feet since June and P.T. Foot Dr. found SED rate high, sentme back to family DR. He's sending me to Rheumatoligist. All other boodwork is normal except for my sed rate.I'm tired of feeling this way. I'm 54, had always been active sister just diagnosed with RH, neice has fibromalagia,I hav had a lot of stress over last 4 yrs. weight has blown up because its difficult to move. I'm frustrated. sometimes I feel like I'm blown off by Dr.What do you think?
Pam
Oct 13, 2008 10:54 AM
Guest :
I have had arthritic pain (severe at times), fatigue (severe at times) sun sensitivity and Raynauds for some time now and my labs are as follows: ANA 1:32 homogeneous, positive DSDNA, red and white blood cells in the UA - the rheumatoligist repeated the labs and found the results are now within normal ranges - I am still having the symptoms but he says its not Lupus and he is not treating with anything but ibuprofen - what do you think?
Thank you, JL
Oct 21, 2008 10:45 AM
Guest :
You fail to mention the high degree of non-specificity with the ANA-IFA. There are over 100 antigens on HEP-2 cells that may reactive with antibodies in serum that are in no way associated with connective tissue disease. The defined population that is tested is critical to interpretation of any of these results, no matter what the method. EIA has a very high negative predictive value compared and a much higher specificity for CTD than IFA. The bottom line is that clinical diagnosis is extremely important when utilizing any ANA test. To often these tests are ordered without proper diagnosis and misleading results do occur more often than not, leading to more testing.
Oct 22, 2008 10:51 PM
Guest :
Hello! Thank you for reading and responding - I appreciate your help.

I have long had a list of symptoms, but it seems no one can put the picture together. Recently:
joint pain
skin rashes including on face and feet
painless sores on scalp and in mouth
unexplained fevers that come and go
fatigue

In the past, I had seizures (only two), and have had a range of little problems that have tended to come and go.

I have an ANA of 1:80 (speckled pattern), and ESR that rises and falls (highest over the last few times tests was 104. I've had a low-level thyroiditis, as well as pleurisy.

Any thoughts you can share will be appreciated.
Oct 23, 2008 3:53 PM
Guest :
I'm a 52 yoa male with severe arthryus. Recent ANA 1:320 speckled pattern Rh negative, and no family history. ANA test was reported as positive for Lupus. Other suggestions?
Oct 23, 2008 5:46 PM
Guest :
Hi, I have had 3 treatments for hep-c; first with alfa-interferon and ribavirin, unsuccessful, a couple of yrs later I had a trial of peg-interferon and cellcept, was virus free until 2 mos after stopping therapy, now aM 11 months out from the current fda standard therapy of peg-interferon and ribavirin , have been having intermittent bouts of severe fatigue , sleeping 1-2.5 days continusly during severe phases, remain virus free but now have come up with a pos ana titer of 1:80 ,speckled pattern, have been tested multi times in past always negative. cbc, lft's and renal studies all wnl, any opinion if this could be related to my treatment?
Oct 24, 2008 8:13 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your speckled pattern could be associated with lupus but this test is positive in many other conditions, including drug-related lupus, which is caused by many different medications. You would first need to have tests for ds-DNA antibodies and the other antibodies used to diagnose lupus. If your RF test is positive you could have rheumatoid arthritis. Tests for HLA B27 are used to diagnose anklylosing spondylitis, which can also cause a positive ANA. You might want to read my articles on antibodies in lupus and also on connective tissue disorders to see what other possibilities there are. Best, Elaine
Oct 24, 2008 8:16 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Interferon and hepatitis C itself are both associated with the development of several different autoimmune diseases. Interferon is especially known to cause autoimmune thyroid disorders, and occasionally a low titer of ANA is seen in thyroid disorders. I'd definitely ask for thyroid function tests at your next appointment. I have two articles on autoimmune diseases associated with hepatitis on 101 that you should be able to find. Best, Elaine
Oct 24, 2008 11:44 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
To poster with the sometimes 100 ANA.
I responded to two comments this morning so now I'm not sure if you're the gentleman with the arthritis or the person with hep C. Please clarify as this will help me get a better idea of what might be going on. Any other history, like rash, would be helpful too. Thanks, Elaine
Oct 24, 2008 3:14 PM
Guest :
My son is 16 yers old. He has been experiencing numbness and tingling with pain in his lower right leg for three weeks now - from the knee down. X-rays appear normal. Dr, says his ANA test is 1:160. He said he is not terribly concerned, that it "could be indicative of a connective tissue disease". His course of treatment is to have child take Advil, ice his knee and monitor pain levels.
What does this sound like to you? Ids lupus a likelyhood? What shoud I be asking the Dr.?
Oct 24, 2008 6:45 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your son, you might want to ask about running a test for rheumatoid factor, C-Reactive Protein, and for other tests that help differentiate the type of ANA that might be present, for instance tests for ds antibodies and HLA B27. If ice helps the inflammation go down, he might want to repeat the ANA as well. Best, Elaine
Oct 25, 2008 5:44 PM
Guest :
Hi. Thank you for responding to my question about my 16 year old son. His blood tests for rheumatoid factor and C-Reactive Protein were negative. What should I ask the Dr. about? His level of pain ranges from a 2 to an 8 on a scale of 1 to 10. He says it is mostly about a 7.
Thank you so much.
Oct 26, 2008 10:41 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your son, the negative RF and CRP are good signs and rule out active juvenile arthritis. Your doctor may be considering an injury or growth spurt and plan to repeat the ANA down the road. The ANA can be occasionally positive in the normal population. However, you might want to read up on the spondyloarthropathies http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_spondyloarthropathies and consider asking your doctor about them. If the pain is not responding to ice and anti-inflammatory tests, imaging tests, for an instance an MRI, might be a good idea. Best, Elaine
Oct 30, 2008 8:02 AM
Guest :
I am Carol - diagnosed with polymyositis 9 yrs ago and treated w/pred. For years I've been pretty much OK w/o the need for pred; my cpk even while "in remission" was higher than normal and jo1 a/bs present.
2 yrs ago carpal tunnel syndrome caused by arthritis/swelling. no longer an issue.
Now sick again. completely fatigued in summer then became depressed (had problems with depression on/off for 20yrs). I am extremely weak/fatigued/easily winded. I was sure I had a flare of PM.
I am 45 y.o female, 145 pds, 5'4", Meds: prozac, pamelor, adderall 10mg/day at most (helps with fatigue, psych prescribed), minocin 50 mg 3/week (just started). 10 mgs pred every 2 days. Lovaza (brought down my triglycerides quick, lowers my very high cholesterol (now 290)
New tests show:
CPK NORMAL? 110
JO-1 antibody is high (I knew that, says >8.0, POSITIVE(A) )

ANTI-NUCLEAR AB TITER 1:160
ANA PATTERN NUCLEOLAR A
Note on results says "A NUCLEOLAR PATTERN IS ASSOCIATED WITH SYSTEMIC SCLEROSIS" (my question: what's that mean?)
ANACHOICE SCREEN POSITIVE A

SJOGREN's AB(SS-A) >8.0 (H)
SJOGREN's AB (SS-B) <1.0 NEGATIVE

M.PNEUMONIAE AB(IGM),EIA 49 (IN RANGE)
M.PNEUMONIAE AB(IGG),EIA 2.30 (HIGH)
Note on results says a positive results indicate that patient has antibody to mycoplasma.

My RH Factor is <7, in Range.
SED RATE(ESR) 29(H)
CK 110 (IN RANGE)
Note from ME to you :) : that is SO strange. Does PM go away? Why am I feeling so weak/fatigued?

All reported Normal: Folate, B12, TSH (3.37), C-Reactive Protein, CPK, RPR, Lyme IgG and IgM, CCP IGG, HEP PANEL-ACUTE-W RFX, RF, PROTEIN ELECTRO-w/TP-SER, Immunofixation-Serum, Immunofixation-Urine, ANCA (just says < 6), SM/RNP AB RFLX TO SM

The *&#!! doctor forgot to do a CBC, but a month ago, I know that my white blood cell count was "high" but not dangerously, I remember my doctor said I probably have an infection somewhere.

Even before these tests I started looking into alternate therapies such as the low dose antibiotics.
PS FYI I had a cat scan of heart, no plaque. My score was 0.
Could my high cholesterol be due to deteriorating muscles?
I AM going to see my RHEUMATOLOGIST but he is away for 3 weeks. New doc for me- highly recommended, and prescribes the A/B therapy.

I know that my lungs are inflamed and I either have or almost have ILD (JO1 a/b).
Ongoing strange symptom since '99: knees and thighs swell on/off w/ flare
Oct 30, 2008 8:28 AM
Guest :
I am Carol - diagnosed with polymyositis 9 yrs ago and treated w/pred. For years I've been pretty much OK w/o the need for pred; my cpk even while "in remission" was higher than normal and jo1 a/bs present.
2 yrs ago carpal tunnel syndrome caused by arthritis/swelling. no longer an issue.
Now sick again. completely fatigued in summer then became depressed (had problems with depression on/off for 20yrs). I am extremely weak/fatigued/easily winded. I was sure I had a flare of PM.
I am 45 y.o female, 145 pds, 5'4", Meds: prozac, pamelor, adderall 10mg/day at most (helps with fatigue, psych prescribed), minocin 50 mg 3/week (just started). 10 mgs pred every 2 days. Lovaza (brought down my triglycerides quick, lowers my very high cholesterol (now 290)
New tests show:
CPK NORMAL? 110
JO-1 antibody is high (I knew that, says >8.0, POSITIVE(A) )

ANTI-NUCLEAR AB TITER 1:160
ANA PATTERN NUCLEOLAR A
Note on results says "A NUCLEOLAR PATTERN IS ASSOCIATED WITH SYSTEMIC SCLEROSIS" (my question: what's that mean?)
ANACHOICE SCREEN POSITIVE A

SJOGREN's AB(SS-A) >8.0 (H)
SJOGREN's AB (SS-B) <1.0 NEGATIVE

M.PNEUMONIAE AB(IGM),EIA 49 (IN RANGE)
M.PNEUMONIAE AB(IGG),EIA 2.30 (HIGH)
Note on results says a positive results indicate that patient has antibody to mycoplasma.

My RH Factor is <7, in Range.
SED RATE(ESR) 29(H)
CK 110 (IN RANGE)
Note from ME to you :) : that is SO strange. Does PM go away? Why am I feeling so weak/fatigued?

All reported Normal: Folate, B12, TSH (3.37), C-Reactive Protein, CPK, RPR, Lyme IgG and IgM, CCP IGG, HEP PANEL-ACUTE-W RFX, RF, PROTEIN ELECTRO-w/TP-SER, Immunofixation-Serum, Immunofixation-Urine, ANCA (just says < 6), SM/RNP AB RFLX TO SM

The *&#!! doctor forgot to do a CBC, but a month ago, I know that my white blood cell count was "high" but not dangerously, I remember my doctor said I probably have an infection somewhere.

Even before these tests I started looking into alternate therapies such as the low dose antibiotics.
PS FYI I had a cat scan of heart, no plaque. My score was 0.
Could my high cholesterol be due to deteriorating muscles?
I AM going to see my RHEUMATOLOGIST but he is away for 3 weeks. New doc for me- highly recommended, and prescribes the A/B therapy.

I know that my lungs are inflamed and I either have or almost have ILD (JO1 a/b).
Ongoing strange symptom since '99: knees and thighs swell on/off w/ flare
Oct 30, 2008 11:12 AM
Guest :
I am Carol - diagnosed with polymyositis 9 yrs ago and treated w/pred. For years I've been pretty much OK w/o the need for pred; my cpk even while "in remission" was higher than normal and jo1 a/bs present.
2 yrs ago carpal tunnel syndrome caused by arthritis/swelling. no longer an issue.
Now sick again. completely fatigued in summer then became depressed (had problems with depression on/off for 20yrs). I am extremely weak/fatigued/easily winded. I was sure I had a flare of PM.
I am 45 y.o female, 145 pds, 5'4", Meds: prozac, pamelor, adderall 10mg/day at most (helps with fatigue, psych prescribed), minocin 50 mg 3/week (just started). 10 mgs pred every 2 days. Lovaza (brought down my triglycerides quick, lowers my very high cholesterol (now 290)
New tests show:
CPK NORMAL? 110
JO-1 antibody is high (I knew that, says >8.0, POSITIVE(A) )
ANTI-NUCLEAR AB TITER 1:160
ANA PATTERN NUCLEOLAR A
Note on results says "A NUCLEOLAR PATTERN IS ASSOCIATED WITH SYSTEMIC SCLEROSIS" (my question: what's that mean?)
ANACHOICE SCREEN POSITIVE A
SJOGREN's AB(SS-A) >8.0 (H)
SJOGREN's AB (SS-B) <1.0 NEGATIVE
M.PNEUMONIAE AB(IGM),EIA 49 (IN RANGE)
M.PNEUMONIAE AB(IGG),EIA 2.30 (HIGH)
Note on results says a positive results indicate that patient has antibody to mycoplasma.
My RH Factor is <7, in Range.
SED RATE(ESR) 29(H)
CK 110 (IN RANGE)
Note from ME to you :) : that is SO strange. Does PM go away? Why am I feeling so weak/fatigued?
All reported Normal: Folate, B12, TSH (3.37), C-Reactive Protein, CPK, RPR, Lyme IgG and IgM, CCP IGG, HEP PANEL-ACUTE-W RFX, RF, PROTEIN ELECTRO-w/TP-SER, Immunofixation-Serum, Immunofixation-Urine, ANCA (just says < 6), SM/RNP AB RFLX TO SM
The *&#!! doctor forgot to do a CBC, but a month ago, I know that my white blood cell count was "high" but not dangerously, I remember my doctor said I probably have an infection somewhere.
Even before these tests I started looking into alternate therapies such as the low dose antibiotics.
PS FYI I had a cat scan of heart, no plaque. My score was 0.
Could my high cholesterol be due to deteriorating muscles?
I AM going to see my RHEUMATOLOGIST but he is away for 3 weeks. New doc for me- highly recommended, and prescribes the A/B therapy.
I know that my lungs are inflamed and I either have or almost have ILD (JO1 a/b).
Ongoing strange symptom since '99: knees and thighs swell on/off w/ flare
Nov 1, 2008 4:09 PM
Rebecca Pierson :
I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis a couple of years ago but I don't think that is all that is going on with me. About once a month I feel so exhausted and achy I don't even want to move and I can't blame that on having periods because I had a hysterectomy. I have constant joint pain and migraines and after my hands started swelling I had blood tests run. My sed rate was 42, positive anachoice screen with a nucleolar patter and the antibodies were 1:160. I met with a rheumatologist after this because now my ankles hurt really bad when I try to walk. He did no blood test before he decided that I didn't have arthritis and that those tests I had done were worthless because he doesn't do them. He decided to test me for Vitamin D defincency and Hep C which I told him that I don't live the lifestyle for Hep C meaning I'm not doing drugs or have sexual partners other than my husband of almost 14 years. I do have a Vitamin D defincency which I am taking the vitamin to correct. The original doctor that ran these tests wasn't sure what to do but basically told me that I had a connective tissue disease but he didn't know which one. I live with exhaustion and am tired of it. Further testing ruled out rhuematoid arthritis, lupus and sjogren's. Any help that you can provide I would apprecitate.
Nov 6, 2008 5:04 PM
Guest :
My name is Elizabeth and I just recently had some bloodwork done since I have been having problems with joint pain and swelling. The ANA test came back positive with it being > 1:640 with both a speckled and homogeneous pattern being detected . Also I had a positive result on Antistreptolysin o titer with a result of 621 ( abn : h ) What should my next step be?

Thanks
Nov 6, 2008 6:38 PM
Guest :
I am a 53-year-old female who just recently had a skin reaction around the outer part of my eyes that was red,severe dryness and wrinkling. M.D.tested found ANAchoice screen positive ANA titer 1:640;pattern SSA/ro;additional testing revealed sjogren AB (SS-B) 2.8 positive;sjogren AB(SS-A)8.0 positive; lupus antibodies still pending and sed rate pending. What do you think. I am asymptomatic without joint pain,very active with occasional fatigue at night otherwise no other symptoms. I am waiting for results before seeing rheumatologist. My initial ferritin was high 289; hepatic function panel total protein high 8.8 and globulin 4.3 high. What do you think about all of this? I also suffer from severe dry eyes for past three years but thought it was from menopause and prolonged contact lense use and occasional dry mouth last few months. DF
Nov 6, 2008 7:14 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi DF,
Your labs and symptoms point towards Sjogrens syndrome. There are several subtypes of Sjogrens.
see my article on sjogrens subtypes
Your doctor may want to run more tests to help diagnose your condition.
Best, Elaine
Nov 6, 2008 7:21 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Elizabeth,
Here's a link that explains the ASO test. http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/aso/test.html
Have you had a recent strep infection?
Your doctor will probably order more tests such as the DS DNA to help diagnose your conditions.
This article rheumatism.suite101.com/article.cfm/autoantibodies_in_systemic_lupus
explains some of the other tests used for diagnosis. Best, Elaine
Nov 6, 2008 7:23 PM
Elaine Moore :
Carol,
It looks like my reply never showed up.
Systemic sclerosis is another term for scleroderma. There are a few articles on scleroderma on this website. Best, Elaine
Nov 10, 2008 8:57 PM
Guest :
I went to the doctors because I was breaking out in hives when ever I went out into the sun. They ran a tissue disease cascade 2. All came back negative but They also ran a ana test that came back positive the ana units are 9.59 When I read about the levels or units on different web sights I'm seeing way lower numbers my doctor is sending me to a rumotologist but what do these out of this world high numbers mean? 9.59?
Nov 11, 2008 9:53 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
In most ANA tests, positive results are reported as a titer. This means the blood is diluted and the highest dilution in which results are still positive is reported as a ratio like 1:80. You'll have to ask for the reference range for the specific test you had done. Then, you'd need to compare your result to this reference range. Best, Elaine
Nov 11, 2008 1:14 PM
Guest :
I have had the following symptons - started just being thirsty, followed about a month later of also frequent urination caused by drinking because I was thirsty although I can only get 4 hours of sleep before having to get up to urinate and have hard time getting back to sleep. Had tests for diabetes come back as being normal so ANA Titer done and came back as Speckled 1:160 - doctor says that is still considered negative but if I want to go to rheumatiod (sp) he will give me referral - is it worth my money to check this out?
Dec 3, 2008 1:39 PM
Guest :
Hi,
My 15-year-old daughter recently had a blood test and her ANA(CHoice) is positive, creatine kinase is 164, ANA IFA is positive and reflex ANA pattern 1 is homogenous with a titer 1 at 1:640. She has all over muscle pain especially when cold, fatigue, joints hurt, etc. She does have oshenschlager(sp?) disease in her knees, too. What do you think all of this is indicative of? Lupus or fibromyalgia?
Thanks,
Concerned mom
Dec 14, 2008 7:02 PM
Guest :
Hi there,
I'm a 44-yr-old female, persistent digestive problems for 10 years. Recently diagnosed with h.pylori (on second round of treatment as first failed). Recent blood tests show likelihoon of CREST.
ANA = OR >1:640, Centromere pattern
ALT 78
Red blood cell count 5.20
ESR 83
Protein 0.3
eGFR 67
RF 34

GP is amazed that I have little/no joint pain. Waiting for appt. with rheumatologist. While I do understand the significance of the centromere pattern, I'm still wondering if h. pylori could be producing some test results, or if I've had the bacteria for a decade or more, whether it could cause other problems that could result in these numbers. Trying to do a little research before I see the rheumatologist so I'll know specifically what I want to ask.

Thanks in advance for your help!
Lynne
Dec 15, 2008 2:11 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I haven't seen anything specific saying that H.pylori interferes with the ANA test results. But not everything has been studied when it comes to interferences. Let us know if you find anything concrete on this. I'll also check some references at work this week. Best, Elaine
Dec 22, 2008 7:47 PM
Guest :
Hi I am having alot of problems. need some help in feb. of this year i was having some pain in my wrist my mom has RA so i was tested for it (NEG)but they also did the ANA it came back (POS speckled 1:80). with my wbc13.2H then in aug. i had some test done and these were the results CA-11.2H TP-8.5H WBC-13.2H RBC-5.16H HGB-15-8H LYMPH-4.9H MONO-1.11H VIT.B-12 DEFICIENCY then later in aug. wbc-12.10H then in nov. wbc-11.5H absolute lymphocytes-4152H alt-44H then dec,5 albumin-5.1H wbc-18.30H neutro ab-11.3H lymphs abso-5.5H monos abso-1.1H mean cell hb-32.7H then dec,16 wbc-12.4H absolute monocytes-1042H sed rate-8 ana w/refl to titer this one was (neg) they told me i most likely had lupus but now they dont think so. i have an apt with an (oncolagist) sorry if i spelled that wrong. now they think it could be leukemia i have alot of crazy stuff going on. i am always very tired even after my bi-weekly b-12 shot, tongue and roof of mouth sore, ringing in my ears, pain all over, and now my arms get weak and when that happens i will get hand tremors. im scared im only 30 with 3 small children please help.
Walk by Faith and Grace
Michelle
Dec 22, 2008 7:53 PM
Guest :
Hi I am having alot of problems. need some help in feb. of this year i was having some pain in my wrist my mom has RA so i was tested for it (NEG)but they also did the ANA it came back (POS speckled 1:80). with my wbc13.2H then in aug. i had some test done and these were the results CA-11.2H TP-8.5H WBC-13.2H RBC-5.16H HGB-15-8H LYMPH-4.9H MONO-1.11H VIT.B-12 DEFICIENCY then later in aug. wbc-12.10H then in nov. wbc-11.5H absolute lymphocytes-4152H alt-44H then dec,5 albumin-5.1H wbc-18.30H neutro ab-11.3H lymphs abso-5.5H monos abso-1.1H mean cell hb-32.7H then dec,16 wbc-12.4H absolute monocytes-1042H sed rate-8 ana w/refl to titer this one was (neg) they told me i most likely had lupus but now they dont think so. i have an apt with an (oncolagist) sorry if i spelled that wrong. now they think it could be leukemia i have alot of crazy stuff going on. i am always very tired even after my bi-weekly b-12 shot, tongue and roof of mouth sore, ringing in my ears, pain all over, and now my arms get weak and when that happens i will get hand tremors. im scared im only 30 with 3 small children please help.
Walk by Faith and Grace
Michelle
Dec 26, 2008 10:38 AM
Guest :
Guest:
I have severe joint pain in my knees and hip joints and i am a thin 20 yr old. I have a positive ana screen,a speckled ana pattern and my titer level is 1:80. My doctor says i do not have lupus but I cannot figure the reason for the ana results otherwise, does anyone have any ideas as to what is wrong?
Dec 26, 2008 9:48 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Michelle,
Your doctor will want to run more tests before diagnosing your condition. Wrist pain can be associated with many things including fractures and tendonitis. The elevated calcium should be confirmed with a test for ionized calcium. Tests for parathyroid hormone are usually done when calcium is elevated. I'm not sure why leukemia was mentioned but a bone marrow aspiration would be needed to confirm this condition if it were truly suspected. Best to you, Elaine
Dec 27, 2008 1:10 AM
Guest :
Hi,
I am a 36 year old mother of two. After my first child i was told I had a positive ANA result indicating a possible connective tissue disorder however after seeing an specialist, he said it wasn't that significant but that I needed to keep an eye and gave me a shot of cortisone to improve the pain in my joins, unfortunatelly the shot didn't work and it made my pain worse for a few days. The pain and stifness improved while I got pregnant with my second child but 10 months later after giving birth the pain is back and a bit more painful, making getting up of bed very painful as well staying in one position for too long. I saw the doctor and requested an ANA test. The result are a bit unclear to me. It reads,
ANA: Detected: Mixed pattern.
Titre, Pattern 320 Speckled
320 Homogeneous.
Coments
(Screened at a titre of 80)
A moderate or high titre mised pattern ANA may indicate the presence of antibodies to nuclear antigens of multiple specifities. Characterisation of these specifities by ENA testing as well as dsDNA and chromatin may be useful. changes in the specificities may occur with evolution of connective tissue disorders as well as chnges in disease activity

Does it mean ratio 3:20? Does it mean I may have Lupus?
I was also tested for thyroid Function TSH was 0.91 mUL and my C reactive protein was 0.6 mgL. I was also tested for Iron and a full blood count withi was withing rerence limits. Can you explain the above to me in plain English? Many thanks.

LM
A worried mum
Dec 30, 2008 5:20 PM
Guest :
i had a full blood panel done my ana was the only positive specled 1:80 i go to a dermatologist in jan are these 2 diseases my only chances of diagnosis?
Dec 31, 2008 5:36 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
A low titer like 1:80 can occur in people with no evidence of autoimmune disease. It can also occur in thyroid disease and other conditions. For a diagnosis of lupus or connective tissue disease, your doctor would need to see certain signs and other positive test results. Best, Elaine
Jan 9, 2009 12:43 PM
Guest :
My 2 year old daughter has been back and forth between many doctors. She has very numerous swollen lymphnods and goes through spells of weight loss, sporadic vomiting and is very fatigued during these spells. She has also been prone to sporadic fevers and night sweats on a regular basis. Many doctors tell me I can fell her lymphnods because she is so small. I do not buy this, she has always been small and they have grown in numbers and size since this first started. My concern now is that she tested positive on the ANA with a 1:40 speckled. Could this have anything to do with evverything else going on?
Clueless in NC
Jan 9, 2009 8:59 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,

A titer of 1:40 isn't usually significant. If your doctors thinks it might be related to her symptoms, he'll order more tests. Has she had her thyroid function tests checked? Best, Elaine
Jan 13, 2009 6:19 PM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,

I've been feeling tired and achy for months now, with horrible intermittent pain in my shoulders, hips, and TMJ especially. My eyes are constantly red and irritated, and I often have a burning aching pain in my neck and in my side abdomen above my hips. My stress levels are through the roof. I often have emotional outbursts, fits of crying and a loud noise makes me jump through my skin.

Recently had blood work done and my ANA screen came back positive, with a titer of 1:160, homogeneous pattern. My Rheumatoid factor is 8. My White Blood Cell count showed as low (3600) with neutrophils(59.5%) lymphocytes(33.3%) monocytes(5.9%) eosinophils(1.0) and basophils(0.3). My Vitamin B12 was 576 (low end) and my magnesium serum was 2.0 (low as well?).

Please help. My GP doesn't handle these types of things, and I'm being referred onto a specialist, but he can't fit me in for a month. What can I be doing? Is there anything I should avoid eating? Should I avoid alcohol? Sugar? I'm still breastfeeding my 18 month old daughter. Should I wean her? Can the ANA's be transmitted through breast milk? I would really appreciate your help.

Sincerely,
CASR
Jan 14, 2009 8:40 AM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,

I've been feeling tired and achy for months now, with horrible intermittent pain in my shoulders, hips, and TMJ especially. My eyes are constantly red and irritated, and I often have a burning aching pain in my neck and in my side abdomen above my hips. My stress levels are through the roof. I often have emotional outbursts, fits of crying and a loud noise makes me jump through my skin.

Recently had blood work done and my ANA screen came back positive, with a titer of 1:160, homogeneous pattern. My Rheumatoid factor is 8. My White Blood Cell count showed as low (3600) with neutrophils(59.5%) lymphocytes(33.3%) monocytes(5.9%) eosinophils(1.0) and basophils(0.3). My Vitamin B12 was 576 (low end) and my magnesium serum was 2.0 (low as well?).

Please help. My GP doesn't handle these types of things, and I'm being referred onto a specialist, but he can't fit me in for a month. What can I be doing? Is there anything I should avoid eating? Should I avoid alcohol? Sugar? I'm still breastfeeding my 18 month old daughter. Should I wean her? Can the ANA's be transmitted through breast milk? I would really appreciate your help.

Sincerely,
CASR
Jan 14, 2009 5:04 PM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,

I've been feeling tired and achy for months now, with horrible intermittent pain in my shoulders, hips, and TMJ especially. My eyes are constantly red and irritated, and I often have a burning aching pain in my neck and in my side abdomen above my hips. My stress levels are through the roof. I often have emotional outbursts, fits of crying and a loud noise makes me jump through my skin.

Recently had blood work done and my ANA screen came back positive, with a titer of 1:160, homogeneous pattern. My Rheumatoid factor is 8. My White Blood Cell count showed as low (3600) with neutrophils(59.5%) lymphocytes(33.3%) monocytes(5.9%) eosinophils(1.0) and basophils(0.3). My Vitamin B12 was 576 (low end) and my magnesium serum was 2.0 (low as well?).

Please help. My GP doesn't handle these types of things, and I'm being referred onto a specialist, but he can't fit me in for a month. What can I be doing? Is there anything I should avoid eating? Should I avoid alcohol? Sugar? I'm still breastfeeding my 18 month old daughter. Should I wean her? Can the ANA's be transmitted through breast milk? I would really appreciate your help.

Sincerely,
CASR
Jan 15, 2009 7:38 AM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,

I've been feeling tired and achy for months now, with horrible intermittent pain in my shoulders, hips, and TMJ especially. My eyes are constantly red and irritated, and I often have a burning aching pain in my neck and in my side abdomen above my hips. My stress levels are through the roof. I often have emotional outbursts, fits of crying and a loud noise makes me jump through my skin.

Recently had blood work done and my ANA screen came back positive, with a titer of 1:160, homogeneous pattern. My Rheumatoid factor is 8. My White Blood Cell count showed as low (3600) with neutrophils(59.5%) lymphocytes(33.3%) monocytes(5.9%) eosinophils(1.0) and basophils(0.3). My Vitamin B12 was 576 (low end) and my magnesium serum was 2.0 (low as well?).

Please help. My GP doesn't handle these types of things, and I'm being referred onto a specialist, but he can't fit me in for a month. What can I be doing? Is there anything I should avoid eating? Should I avoid alcohol? Sugar? I'm still breastfeeding my 18 month old daughter. Should I wean her? Can the ANA's be transmitted through breast milk? I would really appreciate your help.

Sincerely,
CASR
Jan 15, 2009 8:40 AM
Guest :
Hi, I'm a 30 year old African American female who has a ANACHOICE (TM) screen "positive", ANA titer and pattern ANA, IFA titer of "1.320 (negative)", an ANA pattern "speckled", RF "6", DNA AB (DS) Crithidia, IFA "negative"; ENA, SCL 70, SS A, SS B SM antibody "<1.0 neg", SM/RNP antibody "<1.0 neg"; Sjogren's SSA & SSB "<1.0 neg", SCL-70 "<1.0 neg". CMP within normal limits (no out of ranges), HIV "negative". What should I do next and what does this mean? Thank you in advance. THR
Jan 15, 2009 9:33 AM
Guest :
Hi - After one blood test with a 1:160 speckled pattern, my doctor ordered more tests and a repeat of the ANA. My second blood test showed a 1:320 speckled ANA pattern, negative SS-A and SS-B, and a positive ds-DNA of 25. My doctor says it looks like lupus, but that I'll need to see a rheumatologist for a definite diagnosis. I'm waiting on a referral to rheumatology, and trying to read as much as possible in the meantime. Your site is very helpful!

What I am wondering is, is a ds-DNA of 25 considered to be in the low, mid, or high range of positive results?

-AL
Jan 15, 2009 3:15 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It sounds like your doctor has run most of the confirmatory tests available to help with your diagnosis, but a specific pattern doesn't seem to be emerging. You might want to read the articles I have on mixed connective tissue disorders and undifferentiated mixed connective tissue disorders. Your CMP results in the normal range suggest that there are no kidney or liver abnormalities. Depending on your symptoms, your doctor may want to order more tests or treat your symptoms. Best to you, Elaine
Jan 15, 2009 3:30 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
A 25 for the dsDNA is usually a slight elevation but you'll need to look at the reference or normal range provided by the laboratory that ran the test. It's usually listed beneath your results. Like if the reference range is <20, a result of 25 would be only a slight elevation. Best, Elaine
Jan 15, 2009 4:00 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
ANA are a type of antibody that targets the nucleus of certain cells. I haven't heard of ANA being transferred through breast milk.
ANA sometimes show up for no specific reason. Your magnesium level looks fine according to the usual ranges.
You might look at the articles I have on dietary and lifestyle changes for lupus as these tips are helpful for most of the autoimmune disorders including arthritis. The life extension website, www.lef.org also has some helpful information. You may not have a rheumatological disorder, but these tips are all good for general health. Best to you, Elaine
Jan 18, 2009 5:04 PM
Guest :
I have been sick for 5 1/2 years. Many, many symptoms plus some signs. Some occur for days, some for months and some are always present. To name a few - 25 lb weight loss, difficulty swallowing, weakness down specific paths but normal overall strength, severe eye pain with light,very dry mouth to the point where I haev to drink water to talk, muscle twitches in dozens of areas in my body sometimes hundreds of times per day, word loss, leaving money behind in ATM, double vision, blurry vision, extremely thirsty, feeling very overheated in torso and head for months or days, fluorescent lights feel as though they burn a hole in my head, plus more. Relative to tests I have had a positive ANA since the beginning, no one has ever told me the titre even though I asked. The pattern was mixed: speckled and homogenous for at least the first 8-12 months and then at some point after changed to be just Homogenous. In the first few months I had an elevated CRP and ESR that was declining with each test until it became normal with very low results (non detectable and approx. 5-7 respsectively). I had very little tests for it after the first few months but in the infrequent testing (approx. yearly) done I was always in that same range until July/2008 when my ESR was 24 and CRP 4.8 (acceptable range but increased from prior tests). The next test showed 17 and ND. Done again two days ago and I am now at 32 and 4 so again slightly elevated and acceptable range but elevated for me.
I have also had increased neutrophils occasionally plus July and August tests showed increased WBC. I have had negative RF, negative x-rays, normal anti ds-dna, and supposedly other tests were normal. What are your comments?
Jan 18, 2009 7:34 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Please read the article I wrote on Sjogren's subtypes
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/sjogrenssubtypes
If this sounds like a fit, ask your doctor about it and about running some of the other tests to help diagnose it. Best, Elaine
Jan 18, 2009 9:13 PM
Guest :
Hoping to get a little light shed here...
For the past 8-9 years I have been suffering from severe muscle/joint pain and severe fatigue. Recently, in the last 4 years, I have had several tests done to find out whats going on. My RA test came back negative, my ESR was 2, Lyme's titer was 0.32, TSH was listed only as High Positive, celiac test was negative. I have a family history of autoimmune disorders (hypothyroidism and RA)so my GP also ran an ANA screen and the results of that were H positive with a titer of 1:64. Because of those results she suspected Lupus and referred me to a rheumatologist. I spent about 10 minutes with him total, he pushed on the trigger points for Fibro and because all but 2 locations were positive, he said it was "just Fibro", gave me a Rx for a muscle relaxer, and scheduled PT. Since that time I have developed several other symptoms including hair loss, rashes, bowel issues, kidney infections, protein in my UA, severe fatigue, muscle and joint pain so bad that I can hardly perform even the most simple of activities of daily living, weight gain, temporary right-sided facial and arm paralysis, pain/weakness, and the list goes on to a total of 25 different symptoms. We have tried muscle relaxers, pain meds, Lyrica and nothing seems to even touch my symptoms. At 34 I know this is not normal. I am wondering if the original Dx of Fibro was wrong, and if the rheumatologist even looked at my tests. I am scheduled in about 2 months to see a different rheumatologist, but am wondering what things I should be asking as far as tests, diagnosis, and treatment? Any help you can offer me would be greatly appreciated!
Barely hanging on....Niki B
Jan 19, 2009 8:10 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Niki,
The first clue here is your high TSH result. In general, results higher than 3.0 mu/L suggest hypothyroidism. TSH is a pituitary hormone that helps regulate thyroid hormone levels. When your actual thyroid hormone levels, FT4 and FT3, fall too low the pituitary tries to help out by secreting more TSH. TSH orders thyroid cells to produce more hormone, but when hypothyroidism develops TSH can't do it alone. That's when thyroid replacement hormone is needed.
Ask to have a copy of the original report faxed or mailed to you. There should be a value listed with High Positive listed as a flag unless this was some qualitative screening test. If this is the case, the physician who ordered the test should have followed up with a regular TSH, FT4, and FT3 test and also tests for thyroid antibodies.
The ANA can be positive especially at a low titer like 1:64 in hypothyroidism. Hypothyroidism causes joint pain and it can cause symptoms similar to those seen in fibromyalgia. You might want to check with the original ordering physician to ask about follow-up tests and perhaps a referral to an endocrinlogist.
You might want to check the articles I have here on subclinical hypothyroidism and autoimmune thyroid disorders. Best, Elaine
Jan 20, 2009 12:25 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
re: Ball's palsy, drawn face, and positive ANA with anemia, eye not closing. Is your eye bulging with proptosis causing it not to close? Possibilities would be thyroid eye disease (Graves' ophthalmopathy), myasthenia gravis and other disorders. Bell's palsy can occur for no reason and it occurs in many disorders including Lyme disease.
Your doctor can run more specific tests to see what's causing the positive ANA. Usually, a high titer occurs in rheumatological disorders and some of these like Sjogren's can have affect multiple bodily symptoms. I think more tests are needed for a better idea of what's going on here. Let us know what you find out. Best, Elaine
Jan 21, 2009 2:04 PM
Guest :
HI
I am a 30yr old, with a strong family history of RA on my mothers side and my mother also had scleroderma. I have a DVT of my rt transverse sinus, my crp, sed rate, thrombo panel, and cbc were normal. However my ANA was 1:640. I have no symptons other than my right knee aching. I have an appt with a Rheumatologist in 3 weeks however that seems like forever. Do you have any idea if this could be either of the above or elevated because of my strong family hx????
Jan 21, 2009 6:27 PM
Guest :
I saw my dr. back in Dec. and was DXd with Raynaud's and migraine variant. I get facial flushing with the headaches along with confusion and memory loss, and lots of pain with the cold. My dr. ordered workup for lupus. My sed rate was elevated and ANA positive, Rh negative. At Jan. visit, he ordered ANA panel/CBC/CMP. (CBC platelets elevated, MPV low, RDW low. CMP Anion gap low. Just incase anything stands out as a flag) ANA positive 1:320 homogeneous with speckled also detected. The only bone/joint pain I have is tailbone pain for which I get injections, and my hands(presumably from working as a transcriptionist). I do have extreme sensitivity to UV(tanning beds) and get a thick rash every spring on my arms and legs. I also get occasional ulcers in my nose. I have never considered the possibility of lupus because I get symptoms so sporadically and deal with them one at a time. Is it likely that I may have lupus with so little bone/joint pain? If so, is there any significance to the "homogenous with speckled pattern detected" as far as diagnosis?

Thank you,
TLS
Jan 21, 2009 6:28 PM
Guest :
I saw my dr. back in Dec. and was DXd with Raynaud's and migraine variant. I get facial flushing with the headaches along with confusion and memory loss, and lots of pain with the cold. My dr. ordered workup for lupus. My sed rate was elevated and ANA positive, Rh negative. At Jan. visit, he ordered ANA panel/CBC/CMP. (CBC platelets elevated, MPV low, RDW low. CMP Anion gap low. Just incase anything stands out as a flag) ANA positive 1:320 homogeneous with speckled also detected. The only bone/joint pain I have is tailbone pain for which I get injections, and my hands(presumably from working as a transcriptionist). I do have extreme sensitivity to UV(tanning beds) and get a thick rash every spring on my arms and legs. I also get occasional ulcers in my nose. I have never considered the possibility of lupus because I get symptoms so sporadically and deal with them one at a time. Is it likely that I may have lupus with so little bone/joint pain? If so, is there any significance to the "homogenous with speckled pattern detected" as far as diagnosis?

Thank you,
TLS
Jan 21, 2009 8:15 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Studies show that immediate family members of people with autoimmune diseases can have positive autoantibody tests but no other signs of an autoimmune disease. It's a good idea to see a rheumatologist. He or she can run other tests and see if you have evidence of a connective tissue disorder. The ANA test is usually positive in connective tissue disorders, including RA and scleroderma. We generally inherit a predisposition that makes us susceptible to developing autoimmune disorders but not one specific autoimmune disorder. Other connective tissue disorders include Sjogren's syndrome, ankylosing spondylitis, mixed connective tissue disease, systemic lupus erythematosus and mixed connective tissue disease. People on certain medications can also develop a drug-induced form of lupus that causes a positive ANA titer and joint pain, which resolves when the offending medication is stopped. Best, Elaine
Jan 21, 2009 9:46 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
people with Raynaud's can have a positive ANA with a speckled pattern. The range for platelets is usually 160--375. If your platelet count is only slightly higher than 375, it may not be significant. Your doctor will probably repeat the test if the result is moderately elevated. The other CBC parameters aren't significant.
There are several criteria for diagnosing lupus, and it wouldn;t be diagnosed with a sole elevated ANA result. Your doctor will probably run more tests to rule out lupus. He or she can't really say that the positive ANA is from Raynaud's without ruling out other conditions. Best, Elaine
Jan 25, 2009 4:53 PM
Guest :
Hello,

I have been struggling many different symptoms. I just had seen my neruologist and had another round of blood work done. My ana came back 1:640. I have been running that that for almost a year right now. I am back to my normal of being tired and sleeping alot. He told me that my dna test was negative. I am pretty confused right now. I don't see my rheumatologist till next month. I so signs of lupus but I am just not sure what to believe anymore. I am so sick of being sick. I am not sure what my titer was from this last round of blood work. I just had another ASO test done on Saturday because 6 months ago my levels were 9 times the normal limit. He said I had the step infection in my system which is crazy because I don't remember ever having strep. So that was pretty weird. I really don't know what to think. My neurologist said that he was pretty sure that is was Lupus that I have. I am just pretty confused. I just want to feel 100% again. Thanks for any information that is given.
Symptoms:
very tired, sore muscles, lost about 12 pounds in about 4 weeks. Water retentions. facial rash that comes and goes.

Thank you
Jan 26, 2009 6:58 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,(Re:high ASO)

As far as laboratory test interpretation goes it sounds as though there's a post infectious process going on, perhaps septic arthritis or one of the conditions mentioned in these links:
http://www.clinlabnavigator.com/Tests/AntistreptolysinO.html
http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/aso/sample.html
In the second link be sure to look at the second link regarding post-infectious sequelae. You'll see from the first link that pharyngeal strep infection may go unnoticed, which is why you may not remember symptoms.
Studies also show that sometimes an unresolved infection can cause a septic arthritis that stays pretty much dormant, but could account for a positive ANA. Later, if there's any exposure to the infectious agent, the latent infection causes the sequelae mentioned. Let us know what your eventual diagnosis is. In lupus, the ds-DNA antibody test is usually positive. Best, Elaine
Jan 27, 2009 6:35 PM
Guest :
Hi,
I have been trying to conceive for about 6 months with no success. I am a 31 year old female who, about 8 years ago, was on the drug Minocin for acne. Upon taking the drug I developed symptoms similar to Lupus - joint pain, rash, positive ANA. I have had tests done for Lupus and other autoimmune disease, all of which came out negative. (I no longer have symptoms). However, 8 years later I still have a significant positive ANA. Is this affecting my chances of conceiving or to be able to carry a baby to term? Is there anything I can do about the positive ANA? I have read about people with positive ANA having an increase in miscarriages or not being able to get pregnant at all - is this true? Does the positive ANA have to be connected with a specific autoimmune disease in order for the complications with pregnancy to occur or are all individuals with a significant positive ANA considered high risk during pregnancy?

Thank you so much,
A.N.
Jan 28, 2009 10:54 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Minocycline is known to cause drug related lupus, and it sounds like that's what you had. See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/drug_related_lupus
With DRL, the ANA can stay positive for a long time. Ask your doctor if he or she thinks this is the cause of your positive ANA. Otherwise, ANA is positive in connective tissue disorders and isn't associated with infertility.
There are other autoimmune causes of infertility. See
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/autoimmuneinfertility

You might want to see if anything in this article sounds familiar. I also recently read that gluten sensitivity is a common cause of infertility. In gluten sensitivity and also celiac disease, people react immunologically to the gluten protein in wheat, barley and rye. This condition affects 1 in every 133 people especially people of Northern European descent. I have it and wasn't diagnosed or didn't develop it until my 30's. Symptoms vary so it's often not detected or looked for right off. It too is something to consider. Best, elaine
Jan 28, 2009 1:39 PM
Guest :
Hello,

I wrote the other day, I found out that my ASO test came back still high but going down for the Strep B. I told my rheumatologist that my neurologist had tested my blood about 6 weeks ago and my ana came back postive and that he wanted to talk to them so that they could get things worked out for me. I am going to be going in to a seziure center in about 2 months. With an auto immune disease is that common to have vertigo or is there more that I should be asking more of my doctors. I am to the point I am ready to pull my hair out. I just feel like I am going around in circles and I am just lost and I don't know what to do anymore.
Thank you
Jan 28, 2009 2:35 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
there are more than 80 different autoimmune disorders, all with a wide range of symptoms. Most people with an autoimmune disorder have a few predominant symptoms, and these symptoms can change over time, and they can also vary in severity. Vertigo can occur in various disorders, and it can also occur in Meniere's, which some people consider an autoimmune disorder. Let us know what your doctors decide on. Best to you, Elaine
Jan 29, 2009 2:16 PM
Elaine Moore :
Dear KMK,

I'm sorry to hear that you haven't been well, and I'm glad you have a doctor who is helping you to get a proper diagnosis and treatment. Your ANA titers aren't very high although the fact that both tests showed a nucleolar pattern warrants further investigation. Your blood tests for BUN and liver enzymes are on the high end but not significant. Could your GFR result been <60 rather than >60? A greater than 60 result (>60) is normal. See this link for more information on this test.
Your doctor will probably need to run a few more tests to tell what's going on. I hope you feel better soon. Elaine
Jan 29, 2009 10:12 PM
Guest :
My ANA titer is high, at 1:640, ANA pattern nucleolar. Is this likely indicative of scleroderma? She has now had drawn complement C4 and complement C3, anti-DNA AB, anti-SSA AB, Anti-SSB AB, anti-scleroderma (SCL-70) AB, anti-Smith/RNP AB. My main symptoms are unremitting fatigue and IBS. As labs will take a couple of weeks (?), just wondering how concerned I should be. Thank you for your help.
Jan 29, 2009 10:30 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The nucleolar pattern can be caused by several different antigens/antibodies.
From the article:
A nucleolar pattern is caused by the following antibodies/antigens: RNA polymerase I, which is highly prevalent in scleroderma; fibrillarin and also DNA topoisomerase I (Scl-70), which are both seen in scleroderma; and PM-scL, which is seen in polymyositis. An MSA pattern is caused by antibodies to mitotic spindle apparatus and NuMa; these antibodies can be seen in carpal tunnel syndrome, SLE, and Sjogren's syndrome; the cytoplasmic nucleolus pattern is seen in polymyositis.

So any of these diseases mentioned can cause a positive nucleolar pattern; also, it's not unusual for the ANA to be positive without a clear pattern of any specific disease showing up. Recently, there have been reports of gluten sensitivity (affecting 1 in 133 persons) causing a positive ANA and often being misdiagnosed as IBS. This would be another condition worth following up on. Best to you, Elaine
Feb 2, 2009 10:37 AM
Guest :
My name is Judy. My daughter Kymberly 19 (of whom I have written permission to discuss her condition) has Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. As a very young child, I noticed what I thought was a goiter (now gone). Because at the time I had an elevated tsh the pediatrician humored me and tested her thyroid. Her level at that time was elevated, but subsequently returned to normal. That is Up until December 08. Her latest TSH = 4.11 (not bad, but slightly out of the laboratory's normal range) (fyi:I do not have the antibody and am now euthyroid)
The problem: Kymberly has been throwing up for more than 2 years. Certain foods (fatty foods and milk) seem to make it worse, because her GI doctor did not find a smoking gun. From A GI perspective, the nuclear gastric emptying time, GI swallow study, upper GI, EGD along with it's biopsy's were all negative. He referred her to a allergist, (Kymberly also has multiple allergies) This Allergist felt her slightly low complement (CH50 = 156) and her past medical history of toxic shock symdrome w/dic,low wbc etc was a bit out of his scope of practice and she referred us on to National Jewish.
Recent Testing did produce a positive Prometheus IBS/ Chrones result. Tests also showed a positive anti neutrophil cytoplasmic Antibody; specifically pos cytoplasmic ab,and neg perinuclear AB. (This is different from a test done in 2004 where the cytoplasmic ab was neg and perinuclear ab was pos) Her ANA pattern is speckeled with a titer 1:80 (Kymberly has always had a relatively low wbc; with normal ANC. Except when in 2003 she had toxic shock symdrome. Then her WBC only made it as high as 7.7 with a shift to the left. (with blood cultures coming back ragingly positive in 12 hours.)
Have you ever seen Hashimoto's cause chronic vomiting? Could they be linked? If so, Can it be treated?
Kymberly has an appointment with an endocrinologist here in in town on March 9th. In your opinion, should she be started on Levothyroxine before the appt?
Thank you for your help.
Feb 2, 2009 11:30 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear Kymberly is having troubles. With an ANA titer of 1:80, the results could be false positive or testing positive for no apparent reason. Because of the nausea and vomiting, gluten sensitivity immediately comes to mind...mostly because these were the symptoms that plagued me for years until I was tested. Gluten sensitivity has a number of variants and in some variants only the test for gliadin IgG comes up positive. I might add that I don't have a wheat allergy although, like your daughter, I'm allergic to many foods (lettuce, corn, soy, melon, tomatoes, etc) but I am sensitive and react to gluten, the protein in wheat, rye and barley. Similar symptoms can occur in people similar to wheat products. Dr. Mercola has a lot of information on grains on his website, and there are several good books out on gluten sensitivity, including the gluten connection by dr. shari lieberman.
National Jewish has a marvelous immunology lab and excellent diagnosticians. I'll be curious to hear what they have to say. And I'd hold off on Synthroid until although the tests are completed. Best, Elaine
Feb 4, 2009 6:00 AM
Guest :
I am 30 year old mum of two. I did arhritis profile test because of pain in legs.Pain is the worst during menstruation,mostly in knees and left hip. ANA is 1:160+ TITER,NUCLEOLAR.All the other arhritis profile parameters are in normal reference range.I have PCOS and mild seborrhoeic dermatitis of the face and scalp.Which other tests do you recommend? thank you,Silvia
Feb 4, 2009 10:40 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
You probably want to have the ANA test repeated within a few months. If the titer is still elevated, your doctor might want to run the Scl-70 and PM-scl antibody tests. Joint pain during the menstrual cycle isn't unusual and can be hormonal. You might want to ask the doctor treating you for PCOS about this. I'm assuming you had the sed rate and CRP tests and that they were normal. Best, Elaine
Feb 5, 2009 2:53 PM
Guest :
My daughter is 6. She had a ana at 1:160 and positive HLA-B27. She had a rash and joint pain. She had pe tubes at 12 months old and her tonsils and adnoids out at 18 months (due to recurrent ear infections and strep)Could she be born with connective tissue disease and no tested her unitl she was 5. Her eye sight hasnt recently gotten bad to she had to glasses. Is this not something common in children where they could of caught this earlier.
ms
Feb 6, 2009 9:00 PM
Guest :
My daughter is 16 years old. Last year she became very ill. She lost 40 pounds with an incredible amount of abdomnial pain. Six months after the onset of symptoms, she had an exploratory Laporatomy. They removed her appendix, but found adhesions wrapped around her intestines to the point of an almost complete bowel obstruction. No previous surgeries or injuries. During the course of all the testing, she was tested for her ANA titer. At that time it was 1:640 and mixed speckled with homogeneous. Every other antibody test has been normal. We are at our wits end. She still has extreme fatigue, joint pain and poor appetite. Her joints do swell with some reddness occassionaly. She does have dry eyes and mouth and Raynaud's symdrome. She also has some intractable nerve pain in her right flank. She was hospitalized 4 months ago in acute renal failure. No biopsies were done. She has baffled lots of doctors and some that have given up. She is currently being seen by a Rhumatologist and is on Plaqunel for now. Her lastest ANA level was 1:1280 (I didn't know it oculd go that high). She has a Vitamin D def. and a low Alk Phos level currently. We are at our wits end and she is tired of being sick. I would love any suggestions you may have or that we could talk to her doctors about.
Thanks,
DKK
Feb 7, 2009 9:57 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your 6 year old daughter, here's a link to an article abstract that you might find helpful.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20060715/293.html

You might also want to do a search on uveitis and on Reiter's syndrome. Reiter's can develop after a Strep infection and is highly associated with a positive HLAB27.
Best, Elaine
Feb 7, 2009 11:20 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
With an ANA that high and kidney problems, your doctor would probably want to run tests for ds-DNA antibodies and for histone antibodies. The low alkaline phosphatase level you mention can be seen in hypothyroidism. It would be good to run a thyroid function profile with tests for FT4, FT3, TSH and thyroid antibodies. Hashimoto's thyroiditis can occasionally cause an elevated ANA, cause joint pain, and if antigen-antibody complexes occur it can cause kidney problems. Let us know of any other test results. I hope your daughter gets the proper diagnosis and treatment and soon begins to improve. Best, Elaine
Feb 7, 2009 8:55 PM
Guest :
Elaine,thanks for the response. I will bring up these test to Sarah's doctor. I appreciate any insight into this and will keep you posted with future lab results.
Thank you,
DKK
Feb 13, 2009 6:53 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I hadn't heard of grumbling disease either so I did a search on google for the terms grumbling connective tissue disease and found a few links.
Here's one
webrheum.bham.ac.uk/professional/under-graduate/4yr/RAVasculitisfull/ Newversion/Vasculitisfull02%5B1%5D.ppt

there's several other links using this search. you might also try for grumbling with vasculitis, and rheumatoid disorders. Best to you, Elaine
Feb 14, 2009 10:52 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Ed,
Your son's WBC is low, but not critically low. A low WBC count or leukopenia is typically defined as less than 3.5 K and in children this can vary. In the lab, when the WBC count is below 2.0, we have the pathologist look over the blood smear to look for abnormalities. Along with the WBC count, the complete blood count will list a differential, which is the percentages and also absolute counts for the different kinds of white blood cells, like neutrophils, lymphocytes, monocytes, etc. If the neutrophils are low this is called neutropenia and it's of more concern since this could interfere with the ability to fight infection well. Ask for copies of the results if you don't have them and check the differential to see if the cell types are in range.
I'd be more concerned about the BUN and creatinine. As you mentioned they measure kidney function. Rather than just repeating the tests it would be good if other tests were ordered such as the Glomerular filtration rate or GFR and a urine microalbumin. The BUN and creatinine can also be elevated in urinary tract infections and in other conditions and more tests can help with diagnosing the causes. Did your doctor happen to run a urinalysis? The results from a urinalysis are also helpful in diagnosing kidney disorders.

The ANA can be positive in normal individuals but when it's positive in a child it's a good idea to consult a rheumatologist. The RF and CCP rule out juvenile arthritis, which is one of the more common autoimmune diseases in children. Why don't you see if you can get a referral to a rheumatologist.
For more information on lab tests, the best website is www.labtestsonline.org It's run by the College of Pathologists that oversee laboratories. Let me know if you have any other questions and best to you and your family, Elaine
Feb 14, 2009 10:10 PM
Guest :
Ms Moore,

It is Ed. My wife Yenny and I want to thank you so much for your quick response regarding my 2.5 year old son, Liam. We will arrange an appointment with a rheumatologist on Monday. We are concerned with the potential of an autoimmune disease, especially lupus given his ANA positive result, low WBC, and high BUN ratio. We will keep you posted of his situation. Once again thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

Edward
Feb 15, 2009 9:34 AM
Elaine Moore :
Dear Ed,
I'm happy to help. Feel free to contact me at elaine@elaine-moore.com with any follow-ups. The best to you, Elaine
Feb 24, 2009 12:56 AM
Guest :
I am currently suffering a lot different problems and the doctors have been unable to diagnosis what is wrong with me. I have severe pain in the abdomen - upper right quadrant (which seems to follow the liver). I currently have pain patches to help reduce the pain to a manageable level. I have pain in the shoulders, elbows, wrists and finger joints. The hands are constantly hurting, especially in the joints. I suffer muscle pain in the arms and sometimes in the legs. I get mouth ulcers which come and go. I am suffering hot and cold flushes which make me feel nauseas, dizzy and I get a grainy feeling in the eyes. I am constantly thirsty and need to have water beside me all the time. I am not sleeping well at night and seem to be awake more than I am asleep. I wake up with a lot of pain in my hands, shoulders and abdomen.

I recently had blood test done and my ESR is elevated, I have a positive ANA 1.80 speckled, I have a result of 2.2 IU/ml anti-dsDNA and I also have elevated LFT.

The doctors have said that I just have to accept that I will have to live with the pain in my abdomen and I may never find the answer to what is causing it. They currently think the pain in my shoulders, arms and hands is caused by two extra cervical ribs.

My question is do you think I have lupus, as a lot of the symptoms for lupus match my symptoms. All I know is I am finding it very hard to cope with all this and would really like to know what is wrong with me.
Feb 24, 2009 10:43 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your ANA isn't very high at 1:80 and depending on the range your lab uses for dsDNA antibodies, your result may be borderline but I don't see anything striking that points toward lupus. Have you been tested for SSa and SSb antibodies to rule out or help diagnose systemic Sjogren's syndrome? You might also want to look into undifferentiated connective tissue disorders.See www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/undifferentiated_tissue_disease
Best, Elaine

Mar 9, 2009 12:59 AM
Guest :
I have been in the Air Force for a little over 10 years and have had a multitude of shots including 7 anthrax shots, I have had pain in almost all of my joints including headaches blood in my urine blurred vision random upset stomach dry grity eyes, dry nose, and mouth, along with numbness tingeling severe concentration problems at times, random loss of balance ringing in my ears, along with many other problems. I had blood drawn to test for autoimmune disorders. The military Dr. said everything looked normal but told me she couldn't print off a copy of my results, and claims to have no knowledge of Gulf War syndrome, and "squalene" laced shots. After leaving her office I had a friend print them off for me.
my ANA showed in transit with nothing else listed
my Lymph% was slightly 47.5 with 42 being the cut off
my SSA and SSB for Sjogrens >80%* both
my RNP for MCTD >80%*
my Sm for MCTD 31%**
my SSA for SLE 52%**
my RNP for SLE 48%**
my Sm for SLE 42%*
my dsDNA for SLE 45%*
thats it for the high numbers everything else was in the teens or less.

After going to the ER for the pain in lower abdomen and urinating blood the test showed 30 mg of protein, with elevated WBC after retest showed negative. (no STD was Found) "married with kids and faithfull"
Seeing as how I am not a Dr. I have know idea what this means, can someone help me understand what is going on.

thanks Smitty
my email is loki_809@yahoo.com


Mar 9, 2009 8:43 AM
Guest :
Dear Elaine Moore,

I’m a 38-yr-old woman who for the past two years has suffered from extreme fatigue, chronic esophageal spasms, deep muscle pain and frequent cramps in my legs and feet, pain in my hands, and extreme pain and stiffness in my neck. A few months ago my hands started swelling up to the point where I can’t open or close them completely, and the skin on the hands feels leathery and is darker than the skin on the rest of my body. It also cracks and bleeds no matter how much moisturizer I use, so that I always have open sores on my fingers and knuckles. Sometimes I get these little white bumps on my fingers and palms and they take weeks to go away. I seem to be losing the function in my hands, having trouble handwriting and turning pages and opening jars and turning doorknobs. In cold weather, my hands turn white, then two fingers turn dark blue. When I wake up every morning both hands are completely numb/asleep. I used to run a mile every morning but now when I try to run or work out my heart rate shoots up way over two hundred, I have trouble breathing, and I feel like I might pass out. Some days I even have trouble walking uphill, as though my legs just won’t work right. My face has started swelling up and I have all these little red lines like broken blood vessels across my cheeks and around my nose. I saw a rheumatologist and my blood work showed positive ANA with a dual pattern of centromere (titer 1:160) and homogeneous (titer 1:80), and C-reactive protein 1.13. Tests for SS-A, SS-B, lupus anticoagulant and SCL-70 were all negative. My rheumatologist has diagnosed me with fibromyalgia, and said the ANA could be a false positive. She said I might have undifferentiated connective tissue disease but I don’t have enough symptoms for her to diagnose and treat me for that. She just wants to treat the fibromyalgia, but I’m not sure that’s what I have. I’m afraid I may be in the early stages of a much more serious, progressive disease where early treatment might make a difference. What would you recommend? Thanks for your advice.
Mar 9, 2009 11:10 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Smitty,
I'm not sure why your ANA test said it was in transit or still pending and then results were listed. I'm also not sure why she would have said the results were normal.

Some of your symptoms along with positive results for SSa and SSB could suggest Sjogren's syndrome. Why don't you ask for a referral to a rheumatologist? Rheumatologists specialize in autoimmune connective tissue disorders.
See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/connective_tissue_disorders

The urinalysis test isn't usually used to test for STDs although urine can be used to test for gonorrhea and chlamydia. The most common urinalysis test looks for blood, glucose, white cells, etc to help diagnose urinary tract infections, kidney disease, kidney damage, diabetes, etc. Protein is positive when red blood cells are present. Usually if there are enough red blood cells to show protein patients are referred to a urologist or rheumatologist. Some autoimmune diseases, including systemic lupus, can affect the kidneys. Because symptoms in autoimmune disease wax and wane sometimes labs are positive and sometimes negative.

The lymphocyte count can be elevated in viral infections. Usually the absolute lymphocyte count is regarded as more important than the percentage of lymphocytes present in the diff. If the total white blood cell count is abnormal, then the absolute count of lymphocytes is abnormal. Best, Elaine
Mar 9, 2009 11:34 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It's true that early treatment can make a difference in many of the autoimmune conditions. Much of what you're describing sounds as though it could be related to scleroderma or systemic sclerosis or eosinophilic fasciitis.
See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/eosinophilic_fasciitis
Some of your symptoms also sound as though they could be related to thyroid disease.

It would be helpful to have tests for thyroid function, thyroid antibodies, and the SCL-70 antibody test.

The American Association of Autoimmune and Related Disorders www.aarda.org once reported that it can take up to 7 years to get a proper autoimmune disease diagnosis. Proactive patients can help speed up the process. You might want to ask your doctor about low dose naltrexone as well since early reports of the Stanford Clinical Trial of LDN in fibromyalgia are looking promising. LDN is also reported to reduce disease progression in some patients with scleroderma. Do you have the typical trigger points and other diagnostic criteria for fibromyalgia? Best, Elaine
Mar 10, 2009 7:51 AM
Guest :
Dear Elaine Moore,

This is the 38-yr-old woman again. To answer your questions, my internal medicine doctor did blood work to check for anemia, type two diabetes and thyroid problems. All the blood work was normal. I do have several of the trigger/pressure points for fibromyalgia, as well as mild sleep apnea, brain fog/concentration and memory problems, and chronic fatigue. I just want to be sure that another disorder isn’t causing these and my other symptoms. Thanks for mentioning scleroderma, systemic sclerosis and eosinophilic fasciitis. I’ll ask my doctor about those disorders, and about the low dose naltrexone. I’ve made an appointment with a dermatologist who has treated people with scleroderma, and have also considered getting a second opinion from another rheumatologist just to be sure. I’m especially concerned about the loss of function in my hands. I really enjoy drawing, and would be devastated to lose my artistic ability. Thanks again for your advice.
Mar 11, 2009 9:27 AM
Guest :
I HAVE A POSITIVE ANA TEST 1:320 IN A SPECKLED PATTERN. iHAVE BEEN TOLD I HAVE MIXED CONNECTIVE TISSUE DISORDER. DOES MY ANA TEST SUGGEST ANYTHING SPECIFIC.
Mar 11, 2009 3:43 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The speckled pattern suggests several different conditions including mixed connective tissue disease. Other tests, such as the ds-DNA antibody test, are used to help diagnose specific disorders. These tests are also correlated with symptoms and signs. It could be that your symptoms and signs point toward mixed connective tissue disease. Best, Elaine
Mar 13, 2009 3:55 PM
Guest :
My daughter has complained about joint pain, back ache, fatigue, depression, skin hurting. Last yr ANA test negative. This year ANA Positive <1:40
She is frustrated and can't find help. Primary thinks she should be on anti depressants. Rheumatoid Dr did additional tests..SM/RNP aB 2.5 POS...what does all this mean? Looking for a doctor to really help her. She's 20 and suffering with leg pain, stiffness. We have been to primary several times. and 2 specialist; all agree there's "something" but not enough to direct us to what's wrong.
Mar 13, 2009 7:38 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear that your daughter isn't feeling well.
The RNP test is usually positive in mixed connective tissue disorders.
See www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/undifferentiated_tissue_disease and
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/connective_tissue_disorders

With the RNP test being a low positive it's probably difficult to make a definitive diagnosis. And some of these conditions resolve on their own. Has your daughter had an MRI or any imaging tests? These can be helpful when blood tests are ambiguous. Best, Elaine
Mar 17, 2009 6:21 PM
Guest :
While trying to determine the cause of my fertility issues, my doctor ran a ANA test.

My results were Mixed Pattern
1:320 Homogeneous / 1:320 Speckled

I have no idea what this means--doctor only put me on daily 81mg aspirin for what he called "non-specific antibodies". Can anyone help? What do my results mean? Thank you in advance!
Mar 18, 2009 8:21 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The ANA isn't a specific test. Sometimes it's positive for no reason. To help with diagnosis your doctor will probably run a few other tests. Or perhaps he did and the results are inconclusive.

One of the most common autoimmune conditions is antiphospholipid syndrome.

See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/antiphospholipid_syndrome

It's a common cause of miscarriages because it causes the blood to clot too quickly. The usual treatments are aspirin or heparin. I hope this helps. Best, Elaine
Mar 26, 2009 10:00 PM
Guest :
Dear Elaine,

After years of joint pain, weakness, fatigue, Raynaud's, rapid weight loss,facial flushing and extreme flushing of hands in feet during summer, I tested positive for ANA 1:640, homogeneous. However, none of the other autoimmune tests were positive; sed rate is sometimes high, sometimes normal, RH factor negative. The positive ANA was 5 years ago. Since then my voice became much weaker, started having swallowing problems, drooping eye, and was sent to a neurologist. Myasthenia gravis tests were normal. Two years later I could not lift my arms over my head for more than a few minutes, started having hand tremors. Was sent to Methodist Hospital to rule out ALS. Brain MRI normal. I have never been diagnosed with anything except osteoarthritis. I have been to rheumatologist and neurologists, but I cannot use my arms for very long, my hands are shaking,I lose my voice by the middle of the day, my drooping eye and red face and staggering walk make me look like I'm drunk, and my feet look like I've got flaming red kneesocks on. Help! Oh, and my grandmother had rheumatoid arthritis, her brother was diabetic, and my cousin's teenage son was just diagnosed with lupus.
Mar 27, 2009 6:48 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Has your doctor mentioned the possibility of systemic Raynaud's disease or have you had your thyroid levels checked lately. Hypothyroidism can affect the voice and cause muscle weakness. Hyperthyroidism also causes weakness, particularly of the upper body. It's unfortunate, but sometimes autoimmune diseases can take years to properly diagnose. Best, Elaine
Apr 9, 2009 10:46 AM
Guest :
My 5 year old daughter has a swollen knee with fluid behind the joint and a positive ANA titer of 1:1280. She has no pain. Normal Sed rate, normal Xray, negative for lyme disease. We need to now see a juevenile rheumatologist but have to wait months to even be seen. Any initial ideas on initial diagnosis, any advice as we move forward? I need something to get me through the next few months. Thanks so much.
Apr 9, 2009 11:39 AM
Guest :
What are your thoughts: ANACHOICE(TM)SCREEN POSITIVE A
ANA PATTERN NEGATIVE
C-REACTIVE PROTEIN HIGH 3.91
Apr 22, 2009 7:13 PM
Guest :
This is the first place I've seen that specifies that negative ANA tests may not mean there is no autoimmune disease. I am in my late 40s and have suffered from various symptoms for over 10 years. In my early 20s I was diagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia which lasted for over a year and then slowly lessened. In my 30s the doctors believed I had preliminary MS but ruled that out. I have 5 children and had pre-eclampsia with my first. After my last pregnancy (10 years ago) things started getting much worse. Over the last 6 years I have suffered from allergies gone wild (swollen tongue and reactions to almost every food). Terrible aches in my muscles and fatigue and weakness where I couldn't hold a pot to cook in. My eyes would suddenly have stabbing pains in them and get red (looking like pink eye but with no infection). I started getting recurring rashes on my chest that wouldn't respond to treatment and retained water to the point of gaining almost 40 pounds of water weight. I was diagnosed with bad asthma and I lost my voice or was constantly hoarse and began to have severe pains in my hand and finger joints as well as one knee (at times it felt like a hot poker had suddenly touched my joint). During the course of all these years, every blood test was normal, every ANA and other antibody tests were all normal (except for positive ASCA for Crohn's and osteoperosis). Needless to say, the frustration was blinding - I would end my day at 2 pm everyday too exhausted to keep functioning. About a year ago I saw a rheumatologist who said it's mixed connective tissue disease in spite of the normal blood tests. I've been on plaquenil and celebrex and enbrel for almost a year and began to have significant improvement of things about 2 months ago. I'm still bothered by normal blood results throughout all of this and would greatly appreciate your opinion. (There were more symptoms throughout but I don't want to get too detailed, I think I've covered the main ones).
Apr 23, 2009 7:12 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Lab tests serve as guidelines and help with diagnosis, but results still must be correlated with symptoms for the reasons you describe. Some people have low levels of immunoglobulins and don't produce antibodies or autoantibodies very well. You could have ANA at levels below what we detect. Also, ANA often only rise during periods when there's flares of symptoms. And oddly people can have a negative ANA titer and later test positive for one specific ANA such as anti-RNP in people with connective tissue disorders. It's a good think you went to a rheumatologist who understood this. The procedure for ANA has changed somewhat in recent years and is more specific. If your doctor thinks it's worth it he could always order the test again if you haven't had one in a while. But it doesn't sound necessary, especially if you're responding well to meds. A test for thyroid antibodies could also be helpful and help in explaining some of your anaphylactic reactions. Best, Elaine
Apr 23, 2009 12:21 PM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,
I just wanted to thank you for your reply. It's truly been years and years of bouncing from doctor to doctor while things got worse and worse. When I finally found a doctor who knew what he was doing, I second-guessed him because all the other doctors had convinced me that if the blood test is normal then there can't be anything wrong (one referred me to a psychiatrist who was shocked by the referral). Your message was so important in setting my mind back at ease - can't thank you enough.
-RST
Apr 23, 2009 10:20 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi R,
You're more than welcome. Remember to read about the importance of lifestyle changes and diet for autoimmune disorders. Best to you, Elaine
Apr 24, 2009 6:34 PM
Guest :
Please help. I have cervical syringomyelia (around C5-T1, and about 3.5mm) It's been stable for a number of years and I believe it is still stable> I also have C5-6 fusion with hardware installed which was performed about 3 years ago, it was a very successful surgery.

About 2 weeks ago I thought I slept wrong on my neck and have had increasing neck and left arm radiculopathy (mostly down to my index finger). I treid the usual motrin every six hours and now 2/3 way through a medrol dose pack. No relief yet. While there is some DJD above and below the cervical fusion, recent MRI didn't show any pinched nerve, which my doc and I thought for sure was the cause. However, the MRI did show an inflammatory "inside" some of my cervical nerve roots, so the doc order tons of blood work. The Angiotensin-1-converting return a high result of 72, so the doc is have a chest X-ray to check for sarcoidosis, but I have had not breathing problems. The test also showed and anti-nuclear AB titer of 1:80 with a "speckled" ANA pattern. The nerve pain in my left arm and hand (index finger) is sever, but I don't have the normal muscle spasms like I used to when I knew it was a disc problem before the surgery. Any thoughts?
Apr 25, 2009 8:40 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,

It's hard to say for sure what's going on. Sarcoidosis can target other organs besides the lungs so your doctor may want to run more tests.
See
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/sarcoidosis

The ANA test at a low titer of 1:80 can be elevated for no specific reason. Your doctor may want to run more tests to see if any specific antibodies such as dsDNA are also elevated. Best to you, Elaine
May 12, 2009 12:01 PM
Guest :
I have had numerous systems over the past 6 years, hair thining, irribility, joint paint ankles hips always both sides of the joints, facial skin rash, flushing. Finally tested the ANA an dit was 1:2560 stron homogeneous. Anti-SSA, SSB, SM, RNP, and Dntia-dsDNA all negative. Now it seems like I have more symptoms adding daily urine frequency and eye dryness. Any ideas?
May 12, 2009 12:03 PM
Guest :
I have had numerous systems over the past 6 years, hair thining, irribility, joint paint ankles hips always both sides of the joints, facial skin rash, flushing. Finally tested the ANA an dit was 1:2560 stron homogeneous. Anti-SSA, SSB, SM, RNP, and Dntia-dsDNA all negative. Now it seems like I have more symptoms adding daily urine frequency and eye dryness. Any ideas?
May 12, 2009 1:36 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your titer at 1:2560 is quite high and it's probably not a false positive. Are you on any medications that could cause drug related lupus or drug related arthritis? Here, the ANA is positive and symptoms resolve when the offending drug is stopped.
See:
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/drug_related_lupus

and also

autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/drug_related_arthritis

Some of your symptoms such as thinning hair sound similar to symptoms seen in hypothyroidism. It would be good if you had tests for thyroid function and also a RF titer for rheumatoid factor. Best, Elaine

May 17, 2009 3:18 AM
Guest :
I had a dual-positive ANA with homogeneous and speckled titers of 1:160 and 1:320. The rheumy I was seeing at the time put me on a low dose of steroids for a few weeks, and they ran other auto-antibody tests, which I think were negative. I am 26 and have been described by the doc as having an "undetermined autoimmune disorder of the connective tissue, possibly mctd or mild SLE" but I've been having some pretty nasty symptomry lately (back pain, fatigue, weight loss, and headaches--the back pain and headaches have me twisting around in my chair all day trying to get comfortable.) Thanks for any replies.

Sheree
May 17, 2009 7:07 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Sherree,
Many autoimmune disorders are characterized by periods of symptom flares that alternate with periods of remission. You might want to see your rheumy while you're having a flare, which is when blood tests are more likely to be positive. Often, meds can help flares from occurring. Best, Elaine


May 18, 2009 11:52 AM
Guest :
42year old white male - fit military officer.

Blood tests, as a last result, for small spot under eye revealed additional information:

Positive ds DNA
Positive Ro
Positive rheumatoid factor
ENA and Lymphopaenia Positive
ANA 1280

Doctor now says spots under eye nt related - see dermatologist. Bu that I have probably got Lupus, even though no clinical symptoms (I'm fine and healthy).

Wants to put me on 200mg daily of Hydrocholoroquine.

What do you think?

May 18, 2009 3:35 PM
Guest :
I have had a positive ana and a positive ss-a. Would anyone have a cluse what that means. My ana is use to be 561, now its ranges changes to >8.0. It has me all confused. I was told sjogren's and rheumatoid arthritit. I am feeling much bette and labs look much worse. Who knows, can anyone help me.
May 18, 2009 7:56 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,

The Rheumatologist Association has come up with specific diagnostic criteria for the various connective tissue diseases.
Here's the link http://www.arthritis.co.za/criteria.html
and you'd want to click on systemic lupus erytematosus as well as some of the other connective tissue disorders. According to the criteria out of 11 features, 4 need to be present for a diagnosis of lupus. An ANA titer greater than 1:40 and a positive ds-DNA are both diagnostic criteria. There are some skin manifestations listed that often look like a butterfly rash but the lesion you mention could fit.

The anti-Ro or SSa is more often positive in Sjogren's Syndrome. The RF test isn't usually positive in lupus. It would be good to have an RNP to see if undifferentiated connective tissue disease is a possibility. See my article on UCTD www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/undifferentiated_tissue_disease

Has your doctor run a metabolic profile to check kidney or liver function? Any pulmonary function tests?

Meds are good for preventing flares but if you have UCTD without symptoms, you may want a second opinion before starting any meds. Best, Elaine
May 18, 2009 8:32 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your labs haven't gotten worse. There's been changes in the methods. In the old tests we made serial dilutions of serum and reported the highest dilution that was positive. Often, we'd only dilute the serum up to 8 and report a positive as greater than 8. In the newer, more sensitive tests, we dilute serum to very high dilutions, for instance 2560. And for some tests, a concentration rather than a dilution is reported. ANA and SSA are both positive in sjogren's syndrome. Systemic sjogren's can cause arthritis. If you have rheumatoid arthritis, you probably also have a positive rheumatoid factor (RF) test. Best, Elaine

May 20, 2009 8:44 AM
Guest :
42year old white male - fit military officer.

Blood tests, as a last result, for small spot under eye revealed additional information:

Positive ds DNA
Positive Ro
Positive rheumatoid factor
ENA and Lymphopaenia Positive
ANA 1280

Doctor now says spots under eye nt related - see dermatologist. Bu that I have probably got Lupus, even though no clinical symptoms (I'm fine and healthy).

Wants to put me on 200mg daily of Hydrocholoroquine.

What do you think?

May 21, 2009 12:10 AM
Guest :
Hi, Was just wondering if you could shed some light on my situation. 6 months ago my Doctor sent me for blood tests after a turn at work (I could not comprehend anything, lost my memory for a period of time, dizzy), I also suffer from alot of migraines. My blood tests returned reading ANA positive, specked, 1:80. The Dr advised me to take immune boosters and retest my blood in 3 to 6 months. At which time the result came back 1:160. The doctor seemed unconcerned and advised me to retest again in 3 months, This was a week ago. Sense this time i have broken out in a rash that covered most of my body (the Dr said it was a viral rash), i have developed joint pain, very painful, even more so in the morning (fingers, wrists, elbows, knees, ankles and toes, on both sides of my body), am having hot flushes, very fatigued, and am quite concerned. I have been back to the doctor who insisted there would be no point retesting the ANA and just prescribed anti-inflammatory. I am frustrated as i know something is not right and am unsure as to my next step or what this could be????
Thank you for any help!!!
Nic

PS- im 26 years old, female
May 21, 2009 10:43 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Nic,

It's hard to say what it might be without more blood tests. Usually, when an ANA test is positive, one's doctor will order more specific tests to help with the diagnosis. If a viral disorder is suspected, viral serology tests are also performed. It would be good to see a rheumatologist. Rheumatologists specialize in connective tissue disorders and would have a better idea of what tests would be helpful. Best, Elaine
May 21, 2009 10:59 AM
Elaine Moore :
To Fit Military Officer,

I'm not sure why your post isn't showing up. I've confirmed it several times.
Here's the reply I wrote on 5/18:

Hi,

The Rheumatologist Association has come up with specific diagnostic criteria for the various connective tissue diseases.
Here's the link http://www.arthritis.co.za/criteria.html
and you'd want to click on systemic lupus erytematosus as well as some of the other connective tissue disorders. According to the criteria out of 11 features, 4 need to be present for a diagnosis of lupus. An ANA titer greater than 1:40 and a positive ds-DNA are both diagnostic criteria. There are some skin manifestations listed that often look like a butterfly rash but the lesion you mention could fit.

The anti-Ro or SSa is more often positive in Sjogren's Syndrome. The RF test isn't usually positive in lupus. It would be good to have an RNP to see if undifferentiated connective tissue disease is a possibility. See my article on UCTD www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/undifferentiated_tissue_disease

Has your doctor run a metabolic profile to check kidney or liver function? Any pulmonary function tests?

Meds are good for preventing flares but if you have UCTD without symptoms, you may want a second opinion before starting any meds. Best, Elaine
Jun 6, 2009 12:51 AM
Guest :
Hi, I am a 24 y/o woman. I have had chronic hives with sensitivity to light and heat, with no known allergies for 11 years, unexplained anemia, headaches, occasional pleurisy, fatigue, depression, joint discomfort, recent back pain and recent tingling and numbness in my hands. Positive speckled ANA w/ low titer (1:40 or 1:80), elevated ESR, decreased Albumin, and increased Alpha-2 fraction. Until recently, neither I nor my doctors suspected these things were related... until my labs came back. I am being tested soon to r/o lupus, but from what I've read, there is no definitive test. Thoughts?
Jun 6, 2009 9:29 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your ANA of 1:40 or 1:80 is low enough to be a false positive. It's also the kind of result seen in other autoimmune disorders that aren't connective tissue diseases, for instance autoimmune thyroid disease.

Many of your symptoms, including joint pain and hives, are associated with autoimmune thyroid disease and/or thyroid antibodies. It would be good to have thyroid function tests and tests for thyroid antibodies.

It's true there isn't a specific blood test used to diagnose lupus. However, there's certain criteria including a positive ANA and a positive ds-DNA and rash. You need to have several positive signs for a diagnosis.

If your hands also hurt at times or turn red or white, you could ask about Raynaud's, which can occur with other autoimmune disorders, including thyroid disease. Either way, you'll likely need several more blood tests to get a better idea of what's going on. You're probably right though that these symptoms are related. Best, Elaine
Jun 15, 2009 6:52 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The ANA test can be negative during times of remission in patients with lupus. Autoimmune diseases such as lupus are characterized by periods of symptoms alternating with periods of remission. Best, Elaine
Jun 19, 2009 7:20 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well.
Gabapentin works well to reduce pain and you might find that it gives you relief. You might want to ask too about treatment for the microorganisms found in your urinalysis test. You might want to ask your doctor too about your diagnosis. Some of your test results suggest a mixed connective tissue disorder.
See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../mixed_connective_tissue_disease

I hope you start to feel better soon. Best, Elaine
Jun 23, 2009 9:23 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Since you mention having gluten sensitivity, you might want to read this article I wrote:
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../atypical_celiac_disease_symptoms

It explains how arthritis pain can occur in celiac disease. Soy sensitivity causes similar symptoms as gluten sensitivity. I've had arthritic pain that resolved when I stopped eating gluten.

I'd have the ANA test repeated after stopping the foods you're intolerant of and see if it's still high then. Autoimmune thyroid disorders also often occur in people with gluten sensitivity and they too can cause an elevated ANA. You might ask to have thyroid function tests as well.

Your doctor will also probably run some other tests like ds-DNA to see if there's a specific antigen causing the positive ANA. Best, Elaine
Jun 26, 2009 4:10 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
An ANA of 1:40 is low and often occurs as a false positive. Since your RNP is positive as well, it's good to follow up with a rheumatologist. Has your GP ordered any thyroid function tests? Hypothyroidism can cause problems with body temperature regulation and joint pain, and it can also cause a positive ANA. Best, Elaine
Jun 28, 2009 6:37 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Laney,
Although thyroid eye disease usually occurs in hyperthyroidism (Graves' disease), 10% of cases occur in patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Eye dryness can be a symptom.
Your SSa and SSb test results suggest Sjogren's and that can cause eye dryness. You could also have oral dryness and that may be why you're drinking more water. Other tests can be done, such as saliva measurements, to help with a diagnosis of Sjogren's. Let us know how your other test results look. Best, elaine
Jun 29, 2009 7:42 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Laney,
Neutropenia can occur in either Sjogren's or Lupus and it can occur in many other disorders, including reactions to medications and, more commonly, viral infections.

Neutropenia isn't listed in the criteria for either disorder and neither of these conditions are common causes of neutropenia. Because connective tissue disorders are inflammatory conditions, higher WBC counts are more commonly seen than low counts. Low WBC counts are more common in people with these disorders who are on immunosuppressant medications. Neutropenia certainly wouldn't be a reason for someone to suspect lupus. Best, Elaine
Jun 29, 2009 8:13 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Plaquenil can have its own side effects. I did find an article by Dr.Thomas on
www.lupus.org/webmodules/webarticlesnet/templates/new_empty.aspx?articlei d=2307&zoneid=76

where he states that a low WBC can help diagnose lupus. so that's where she got this. This isn't what we see in the lab though, and it's not listed with the diagnostic criteria. Dr. Thomas, does, however say that drugs to increase the WBC count aren't necessary. I'd still hold off until you have a definitive diagnosis. Best, Elaine
Jul 6, 2009 8:04 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,

None of your results are particularly strange other than the ANA, and the ANA can be positive for no reason. Still, in autoimmune diseases symptoms wax and wane and ANA results fluctuate. That's why it can take several years before a diagnosis is made. And if the joint pain and ANA results aren't caused by a connective tissue disorder symptoms and labs resolve spontaneously. You could ask your doctor to run tests for Lyme Disease and Human Parvovirus B19.
See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../human_parvovirus_b19_infection
These disorders can also cause the symptoms you're having. Best, Elaine
Jul 27, 2009 11:37 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
An ANA of 1:40 isn't usually significant. This can occur in people with no medical problems. But because of your symptoms, your doctor may want to repeat this test in several months.
Have you had your thyroid levels checked? The sweating could be a sign of hyperthyroidism.
The MCH component of the CBC is based on a calculation and can be falsely affected by different medications. That may be what happened. Best, Elaine
Aug 5, 2009 12:35 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,

Insurance concerns with the new multiplex ANA tests still abound. Many insurance companies feel that since the tests measure a variety of different antibodies, tests may be done that aren't needed. This is one reason labs had to stop offering various panels. Your ANA result of 1:280 could be related to your hypothyroidism or be associated with a connective tissue disorder. It's good that you're going to see specialists. Your symptoms are associated with a number of different conditions. Your description of headaches sounds like the classic description of hypertension headaches but could also occur in vascular conditions.
Without further tests, it's difficult to say, but it would be good if you'd let us know what other tests you have done and what the specialists have to say.
Best, Elaine
Aug 8, 2009 3:34 PM
Elaine Moore :
Dear Guest:

Are you on folic acid, vitamin B12, and vitamin D to correct these deficiencies? If you're not responding to the meds and are still having pains, you might consider consulting with another doctor or adding alternative medical therapies along with dietary changes. Boswellia may help with the arthritic pain of MCTD and RA. See my article www.suite101.com/blog/.../boswellia_reduces_inflammation

Low dose naltrexone also works well in rheumatoid arthritis.
See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.../low_dose_naltrexone

An anti-inflammatory diet can also help. Best, Elaine

Aug 11, 2009 9:40 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
With your ANA rising from 340 to 1280 your doctor will likely order more specific tests such as ds-DNA and SCL-70 to help with your diagnosis. Since the ANA is a generalized rather than a specific test your results suggest an autoimmune process but don't specifically point to one thing. If you're not seeing a rheumatologist you might want to make an appointment with one. Best, Elaine
Aug 11, 2009 10:01 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your 1:80 ANA doesn't necessarily mean that something else is going on. It could be related to your fibromyalgia. Low titers are also sometimes seen in the normal population and in autoimmune thyroid disorders. A positive ANA is not an indication of cancer. The studies of low dose naltrexone for fibromyalgia at stanford are showing some promising results. See my articles on this topic. Best, Elaine
Aug 11, 2009 7:29 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I didn't see what the IFA titer of your daughter's was. If it's lower than 1:80 it could be a false positive. If she still has joint pain you might want to consult a rheumatologist. Best, Elaine
Aug 12, 2009 1:01 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi JD,

Your titer is higher than what's usually seen in a false negative but if no antibodies should up on the specific tests, an undifferentiated or mixed connective tissue disorder is possible. Usually, be "seronegative" labs mean that the test for rheumatoid factor (RF test) is negative. This is common in the spondyloarthropathies.
Please see autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../the_spondyloarthropathies
Best, Elaine
Aug 12, 2009 3:07 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
the IFA is considered the gold standard by the American Association of Rheumatologists. I'd consider the choice as a false positive. Best, Elaine
Aug 13, 2009 2:03 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It's good to see your ANA titer has fallen, and it's good that you had this MRI test now. It's unfortunate that it takes so long to get in to see the rheumatologist. You might consider a neurology appointment too if you haven't. Best, Elaine
Aug 13, 2009 2:07 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Tracy,

I just noticed your consult was with a neuro.


By ACE, do you mean the acetylcholinesterase test or did you have test for acetylcholine receptor antibodies? Please clarify. Thanks, Elaine
Aug 14, 2009 1:11 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Tracy,

See http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/ace/glance.html
for more info on the ACE test. Be sure to hit next to move on to the next screens to see other conditions that may cause an elevated test result.

Sarcoidosis doesn't always involve the lungs. I wrote an article on sarcoidosis of the thyroid gland and have met several people with this condition. I was interested to see the ACE can be elevated in hyperthyroidism, something I hadn't realized.

Please follow-up and let us know how things turn out. Best, Elaine
Aug 14, 2009 4:37 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear that your rheumatologist visit went so poorly. It seems your PCP has a better idea of what's going on and how to treat it than the rheumatologist.
Ibuprofen can, while reducing joint pain, cause inflammation and also raise blood pressure in some people. You might want to look into boswellia.

It's true that the ANA and RF can come up positive in times of flares and with negative results at other times, especially in periods of remission. Do you have any of the nodules characteristic of rheumatoid arthritis? It sounds more like an undifferentiated connective tissue disorder. See www.suite101.com/blog/.../undifferentiated_tissue_disease Best, Elaine
Aug 24, 2009 6:15 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your positive ANA could be from an autoimmune disorder but more blood tests are needed before your doctor can diagnose your condition. Since you mention hair loss and your titer is low, having thyroid function tests would probably be a good idea too. Best, Elaine
Sep 4, 2009 6:42 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Sherry,

IFA refers to an immunofluorescent immunoassay methods. Rheumatologists consider the IFA a gold standard or best method for ANA. It should be more specific but it's still a tricky test to do and subject to interpretive errors. The newer screening tests aren't as specific as they test for a number of antibodies at one time. A titer as low as 1:80, though, is likely to be a false positive.

Antibodies to myelin are seen in MS and other neurological disorders. However, there can also be false positives. For MS, a spinal fluid analysis and an MRI would give more information.

You probably want to have thyroid tests as some of your symptoms suggest hypothyroidism, and this disorder can also cause a false positive ANA. Sorry for the delay in responding. Best, Elaine
Sep 6, 2009 10:03 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your doctor will likely run more blood tests to tell what type of specific ANA antibodies you have. For instance, a test for ds-DNA antibodies would be used to test further for lupus. Joint pain occurs in the connective tissue disorders. See:
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../connective_tissue_disorders and also
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../mixed_connective_tissue_disease

Since you mention hair loss, it might be helpful to also have thyroid function tests. Best, Elaine
Sep 13, 2009 11:34 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It does sound like you may have an undifferentiated or mixed connective tissue disorder. Your lupus anticoagulant test being positive doesn't mean that you have lupus. It refers to an autoimmune clotting condition. See my articles on lupus anticoagulant and on antiphospholipid syndrome. Ask your doctor if treatment is needed.
Keeping vitamin D in the normal range helps undifferentiated connective tissue disease from progressing. Read my articles too on the diet and lifestyle changes that can help reduce symptoms in lupus and other connective tissue disorders. Best, Elaine
Sep 14, 2009 5:45 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Two different titers can suggest two distinct anti-nuclear antibodies. When you have the ANA repeated, it would be helpful to have tests for ds-DNA antibodies and scl70 antibodies along with a CBC and biochemical profile. Best, elaine
Sep 20, 2009 12:03 AM
Guest :
I have been having problems for a few years. My son passed at the age of 2 in 1995. The summer of 1995 I broke out with a rash and it lasted a couple of weeks. It not only itched but had a burning sensation to it and cold clothes seem to ease both the itching and burning. Neighbor said it looked like sun poisoning. I thought that was weird. So from 1995 to the year 2000 I would break out in this rash where ever my skin was exposed lasting anywhere to 2-3 wks. I would avoid the sun never went to doc didn't have insurance. Now I am expericing new symptoms, joint pain, muscle stiffness, chronic fatigued, dry eyes, dry mouth, low fever. I went to see an ENT because my lymnodes swelled to find out i have Sjogrens. He is referring me to a Rhematolgist with the intentions that Sjogren's is secondary. ENT confirmed SS with lip biopsy. My ANA test was Pattern Nucleolar, Titer 1:640, Anti-SS-A 0.4, Anti-SS-B >8.0 H AI, and Sed Rate 13. Any insights.
RNH
Sep 25, 2009 5:36 PM
Guest :
I am very confused as I was called into my Dr office last week and told that I had arthritis. My Dr said that they were running an additional ANA. These are the results
ANA Direct: Positive: Abnormal
Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor: 8.8 Normal
AST (SGOT): 42 (high)
Thyroxine (t4) free, direct,: 0.92 (low)
TSH: 5.690 (high)
Sedimentation Rate-Westergren: 21 (High)
C-Reactive Protein, Quant: 36.8 (high)
MCV:76 (low)
MCH: 24.4 (low)
RDW: 16.8 (High)
Monocytes: 3 (low)
I also have swelling in my hands, legs, ankles and feet. I have pain in all of the joints on the right side of my body at the moment as well as my arms and legs having tingling and that fall asleep feeling. I have been exhausted for so long now that I don't remember what its like to have energy. I also have some chest pain as well as a hard time taking deep breaths. It doesn't hurt to breathe regularly though. My Dr has referred me to a Rheumatologist but in the past three days I haven't even gotten a call back to set an appt. Any advice would be helpful. I was diagnosed Hypothyroid about 4yrs ago but none of these other values showed in blood work until now.
Sep 25, 2009 5:37 PM
Guest :
I am very confused as I was called into my Dr office last week and told that I had arthritis. My Dr said that they were running an additional ANA. These are the results
ANA Direct: Positive: Abnormal
Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor: 8.8 Normal
AST (SGOT): 42 (high)
Thyroxine (t4) free, direct,: 0.92 (low)
TSH: 5.690 (high)
Sedimentation Rate-Westergren: 21 (High)
C-Reactive Protein, Quant: 36.8 (high)
MCV:76 (low)
MCH: 24.4 (low)
RDW: 16.8 (High)
Monocytes: 3 (low)
I also have swelling in my hands, legs, ankles and feet. I have pain in all of the joints on the right side of my body at the moment as well as my arms and legs having tingling and that fall asleep feeling. I have been exhausted for so long now that I don't remember what its like to have energy. I also have some chest pain as well as a hard time taking deep breaths. It doesn't hurt to breathe regularly though. My Dr has referred me to a Rheumatologist but in the past three days I haven't even gotten a call back to set an appt. Any advice would be helpful. I was diagnosed Hypothyroid about 4yrs ago but none of these other values showed in blood work until now.
Sep 25, 2009 8:39 PM
Guest :
I am very confused as I was called into my Dr office last week and told that I had arthritis. My Dr said that they were running an additional ANA. These are the results
ANA Direct: Positive: Abnormal
Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor: 8.8 Normal
AST (SGOT): 42 (high)
Thyroxine (t4) free, direct,: 0.92 (low)
TSH: 5.690 (high)
Sedimentation Rate-Westergren: 21 (High)
C-Reactive Protein, Quant: 36.8 (high)
MCV:76 (low)
MCH: 24.4 (low)
RDW: 16.8 (High)
Monocytes: 3 (low)
I also have swelling in my hands, legs, ankles and feet. I have pain in all of the joints on the right side of my body at the moment as well as my arms and legs having tingling and that fall asleep feeling. I have been exhausted for so long now that I don't remember what its like to have energy. I also have some chest pain as well as a hard time taking deep breaths. It doesn't hurt to breathe regularly though. My Dr has referred me to a Rheumatologist but in the past three days I haven't even gotten a call back to set an appt. Any advice would be helpful. I was diagnosed Hypothyroid about 4yrs ago but none of these other values showed in blood work until now.
Sep 26, 2009 3:28 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your borderline low FT4 and elevated TSH indicate that you're not on adequate thyroid replacement hormone. This can cause a positive ANA and symptoms of arthritis. The sed rate and CRP show that there's inflammation and the RF factor indicates that you don't have rheumatoid arthritis. Your abnormal test results may indicate that something is going on besides hypothyroidism, but it's also possible that correcting your hypothyroidism will take care of things. Best, Elaine
Oct 9, 2009 1:05 PM
Guest :
I have a positive ana and pattern of 1:2560 atypical speckled. I can find hardly any research on this....only that it could be lupus, scleroderma, dermatomgositis or polymyositis....Any other thing you could think of or know of?
Oct 11, 2009 7:02 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
A 1:2560 speckled titer could indicate one of the disorders you mentioned or it could be a false positive. You'd need more blood tests to help determine the cause and then they'd be correlated with symptoms to make a diagnosis. For instance, a positive ds-DNA antibody test would suggest lupus. Best to you, Elaine
Oct 17, 2009 4:15 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your daughter's centromere titer could be high for no apparent reason or she may be exhibiting autoimmunity but no real disease.

Your doctor who ordered the first test can order more tests if needed, but it would be a good idea to make an appointment with a rheumatologist now just so you have baseline levels to go by if anything changes. Best, Elaine

Oct 18, 2009 8:54 PM
Guest :
I have not heard a response from my September 20 posting. Since I have received a copy of my ANA from 1996 Homogeneous 1:320 and Speckled 1:320.Centromere Antibody negative. I have a Vitamin D Defenciency as of last weeks blood work and B6 & B12 will retest they were borderline. Liver and Thyroid normal. Any insights would greatly be apprecciated.
RNH
Oct 19, 2009 11:21 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry if I didn't answer your Sept 20th post. In some cases I answered but the posts never went through.
A positive centromere pattern often suggests CREST syndrome, but lab results would have to be correlated with symptoms for a proper diagnosis. Best, elaine
Oct 25, 2009 6:53 PM
Guest :
Back to my Sept. posting my Pattern was Nucleolar is that the same as Centromere? I also received a copy of my ANA from 1996. I had two differant patterns. It was 1:320 Homomogeneous and Speckled. Today I have two tiny sores on my right tip tongue and two sores on my right inner lip and a small sore on my lower bottom lip. Hard to eat.
Oct 26, 2009 2:47 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,

The nucleolar and centromere patterns aren't the same. Tests done in 1996 may not compare well with results provided by the tests in use today. Today's tests are more specific. Best, Elaine
Nov 26, 2009 5:47 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The urinalysis report showing 2+ leukocyte esterase and 10-20 WBC could indicate a urinary tract infection. The other results could occur as false positives but your rheumatologist may want to run more tests. Best, Elaine

Nov 30, 2009 10:07 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Cheryl,

Your juvenile RA may have gone into remission, which would result in a negative result. You'd also then expect to see a low CRP and sed rate. If your doctor called the lab and questioned the result, I suspect the lab would repeat the test again at no charge, re-running the old specimen if they have it or having you come in for a redraw. It's possible but since it's unusual I'd ask for a repeat. You could call the lab yourself but if the doctor calls, you'll have a faster response. Best, Elaine

Dec 28, 2009 11:58 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hello to the 28 yr old guest,
Your titer is significantly elevated so it's unlikely to be a false positive. Your doctor will need to run several specific tests such as ds-DNA antibody to tell if your ANA points to a specific condition. Certain medications, including antibiotics can cause drug-related lupus or arthritis; these conditions resolve when meds are stopped. Best, Elaine
Dec 29, 2009 11:30 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your test results indicate Sjogren's. Please read my article on Sjogren's subtypes at http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/sjogrenssubtypes
Sjogren's is a connective tissue disorder that can cause joint pain.
best, elaine
Dec 29, 2009 9:36 PM
Guest :
Hello,
I have a 6 year old daughter who has been experiencing symptoms for a year and a half. Symptoms include: sporadic low grade fevers, says front of thighs and shins hurt "on the inside", low appetite, stomach pain, extreme headaches, swollen glands, pale/translucent skin, purple circles under eyes, and then has times when extreme fatigue that lasts 4-5 days, during those "episodes" she can hardly stand or keep her head up,. ANA was positive at 1:80, which I thought was low. Family history of auto immune diseases (mom - hypothyroidism, Mgma - RA, Aunt - psoriosis, 3 uncles with 2 or more, Pgma - diabetes, Mggma - RA and diabetes). When being blood tested for the ANA, her blood clotted twice, with little drawn. She was in the middle of an episode at that time. Tests done thus far are all normal and include: CBC, metabolic panel, Thyroid, LDH, Mono, Urine (all in Feb '09), Sed rate, RF, Celiac panel (all on 12-9-09). Rheumy called today and the tests from 12-24 (lupus panel, sed rate CPK, thyroid) all normal. Also, she has times that she gets very clammy, weak, writhes, moans, has even had her eyes roll back in her head before having an explosive bowel movement and then is fine! I don't know where to go from here.......please advise. Thank you so much for taking the time to read and respond.
~Amy
Dec 30, 2009 4:22 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Amy,
Usually, a 1:80 titer is considered borderline or low for the ANA test. Children with a family history of autoimmune disease can sometimes have a low titer of ANA in the absence of autoimmune disease. Still, your doctor might want to repeat the test the next time she has labs.
The purple circles under her eyes suggest that she could have allergies. A visit with an allergist might be helpful. Best, Elaine
Dec 30, 2009 4:29 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
For the bruising your doctor may want to order a hypercoagulation workup. These include several blood tests like DVVT, Factor V Leiden, and cardiolipin antibodies that cause blood to clot to quickly. Collectively, these tests are used to diagnose lupus anticoagulant and antiphospholipid syndrome. These are disorders that can occur on their own or they can occur in people with certain connective tissue disorders including systemic lupus erythematosus. See my article on antiphospholipid syndrome.

Your positive ANA of 320 with a speckled pattern could be caused by several different conditions. Your doctor will need to order more specific tests such as ds-DNA antibodies to help with your diagnosis. Best, Elaine
Jan 8, 2010 1:30 PM
Elaine Moore :
Dear B,

A 1:160 ANA titer can be seen in normal healthy people and also in people with hypothyroidism and various specific and non-specific connective tissue disorders.
Has your doctor done blood tests to see if you have an active EBV infection now? There's some interesting new treatments using monolaurin to wipe out the virus.

EBV is also considered a trigger for other disorders, particularly autoimmune ones because of the long time it takes for your immune system to fight this virus. This weakens the immune system.

I think your doctor's plan to repeat the ANA is a good idea but it would also be good to have the EBV tests, which can differentiate active from past infection. Best, Elaine
Jan 8, 2010 6:26 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
With an ANA of 1, you're fortunate in not having any significant inflammation. Best, Elaine
Jan 11, 2010 8:29 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your sed rate of 38 suggests inflammation. Much higher levels are seen in arthritic flares, but there's some inflammatory process going on. It's good that you're going to see a rheumatologist.

Your positive ANA and its pattern can be seen in several different conditions, and sometimes this test can be positive for no apparent reason. A drug-related form of arthritis can occur from some very common meds, including antibiotics, and this form of arthritis resolves when the offending med is withdrawn. See my article here on drug related arthritis. Similarly, there's a condition of drug related lupus.

There are also seronegative (negative RF test) forms of arthritis. See my article on the spondyloarthropathies.

Your doctor will run more specific ANA tests like ds-DNA antibodies and he'll ask for a careful history and perhaps do some imaging tests to see what's going on. Best to you, Elaine
Jan 16, 2010 5:38 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Some of your symptoms could be related to your hypothyroidism. The blisters could be from lots of things. Apthous ulcers (mouth sores) occur in celiac disease. It would be good if you'd see a rheumatologist about the positive ANA and ask for antibody tests for gluten sensitivity. Read my articles on pemphigus and gluten intolerance too. Best, Elaine
Jan 16, 2010 7:03 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
the ANA test can be positive in titers up to 1:80 in normal people. The negative ds-DNA antibody test result suggests that you don't have lupus. At one time it was thought that a positive ANA was primarily seen in lupus.
When results are borderline low like yours, some doctors will wait 6-12 months and repeat the test. If symptoms are present, some doctors will run other tests like the rheumatoid factor (RF) test, which looks for rheumatoid arthritis. You might want to wait and have the test repeated at a later date, or if you develop any symptoms of a connective tissue disorder you might ask to have tests sooner. Best, Elaine
Jan 17, 2010 9:48 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Diane,
The ds-DNA result shows that your positive ANA result isn't related to lupus. Have your thyroid levels been checked? A TSH higher than 3.0 can suggest hypothyroidism. That can cause hair loss and cause your positive ANA. A positive ANA can occur for no reason and it's seen in connective tissue disorders. You could see a rheumatologist to ask about your toe joint pain. Best, Elaine
Jan 17, 2010 3:33 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Diane,
Just to be on the safe side ask what the actual TSH value is. The newest studies suggest that a TSH lower than 2.5 mu/L indicates hypothyroidism. But most labs use the old outdated ranges of 0.5-5.0 figuring that endos will know about the new ranges. If your TSH is higher than 2.5 you'd also want to have FT4 and FT3 levels. Best, Elaine
Jan 18, 2010 7:34 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Different tests have different specificity/sensitivity levels to avoid picking up false interferences. This could cause ANA to be negative but for specific ANA antibody tests to be positive. The RNP is often positive in undifferentiated connective tissue disorders. Ask your doctor if he or she thinks this is the case. Best, Elaine
Jan 18, 2010 4:12 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Diane,
This is likely a general comment that's printed with all positive ANA results. The patterns in the ANA suggest what other tests should be done. Like with a nucleolar pattern and a high titer, the scl-70 test would be run. Even if this was positive, there'd need to be clinical signs that correlate with the results. These are called Diagnostic Criteria and the American Association of Rheumatologists lists them for the various connective tissue disorders. You should be able to find the criteria on their website.

I'd read a PubMed abstract recently saying that the lab tests can be positive for no reason and it's important not to use them as a sole factor in diagnosis. Best, Elaine
Jan 21, 2010 11:20 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
While the ANA is positive in connective tissue disorders, it can also be positive for no reason, and it can be positive in other autoimmune disorders such as hypothyroidism and alopecia, both of which cause hair loss. Have you had tests for thyroid function? Thyroid disorders often develop during the postpartum period. Best, Elaine
Feb 7, 2010 7:31 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your hyposplenism, which was likely suggested by your blood smear with Howell Jolly bodies, I think that you also need tests for gliadin antibodies. While tissue transglutaminase antibodies and endomysial antibodies are seen in celiac disease, not everyone has them. Some people have gliadin IgG antibodies alone, and often levels of IgA are low. Please read my article from last month on gluten sensitivity, which explains the new guidelines.
Howell Jolly bodies are also seen in severe hemolytic anemia, megaloblastic anemia, hereditary spherocytosis, and myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS). The lab should have ordered a pathology review and if not, your doctor can order one. Here, a pathologist reviews the slide and looks for other clues toward a diagnosis.
See this abstract too: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1419299/
With your family history, celiac disease seems worth investigating and the next step would be the gliadin antibody test.

An ANA test would also be helpful since you mentioned joint pain and have a family hx of connective tissue disease. Best, Elaine
Feb 7, 2010 9:51 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your 3.5 year-old son, was he on any antibiotics that could have hair loss as a side effect. Some antibiotics can also cause a temporary condition of drug-related lupus (see my article on it) that resolves when meds are stopped--it could cause a positive ANA that can persist for some time.
Another possibility is hypothyroidism, which can cause both hair loss and, if autoimmune, a positive ANA.
I hope the hair loss resolves spontaneously. Best, Elaine
Feb 11, 2010 9:02 PM
Guest :
Hi,
My daughter , 13, and I , 31, have both tested positive for homogeneous, speckled mixed pattern ANA. Hers is 1:80, mine 1:40. Is this hereditary or just random? We are currently waiting for doctors appointment.
Feb 11, 2010 9:15 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Neither of your titers are very high, which means they could be positive for no particular reason. But since your doctor ordered these tests, I suppose you may have some symptoms of a connective tissue disorder, or Raynauds, or thyroid disease or perhaps a strong family history of autoimmune disease. In the latter case, immediate relatives will sometimes have low ANA titers but not go on to develop an autoimmune disorder.

Your rheumatolgist will carefully evaluate any symptoms that you have and probably order a few more blood tests to help determine what, if anything, is going on. Best, Elaine
Feb 18, 2010 11:15 AM
Elaine Moore :
Helena,

Has your doctor run ds-DNA antibodies or histone antibodies to check for lupus or drug related lupus? Have you had an ANCA test? Look into Wegener's granulomatosis. It would also be a good idea to have your ulceration cultured and biopsied. This would show if it's due to an infection or has changes that suggest a certain autoimmune disorder. Best, Elaine
Feb 26, 2010 11:53 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
If you had radioiodine ablation for your hyperthyroidism there can be salivary gland damage and progression to Sjogren's syndrome. This would account for the positive SSa (Ro) result. After RAI people often develop other autoimmune disorders, especially gluten sensitivity and antiphospholipid syndrome (APS). APS is associated with multiple miscarriages and gluten sensitivity is associated with infertility.
Even if you didn't have RAI treatment, having one autoimmune disorder increases your risk for having another. RAI makes this much more likely because of the profound effect it has on the immune system and the increased autoantibody production. Best, Elaine
Mar 1, 2010 8:33 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your titer of 1:640 I couldn't tell if you meant your ds-DNA test was positive as well. If it is, this could indicate lupus. You can find all the current criteria listed at the American Association of Rheumatology website. I believe the current recommendation is for meeting 4 criteria. So your doctor would want to look at all those factors. Best, Elaine
Mar 1, 2010 6:14 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Most labs use a range of 0-4 for the ds-DNA antibody test. If your level was 13 and this is the range your lab uses, your result is only slightly elevated.
Your doctor will look at other signs and symptoms including his reason for ordering these tests. If there aren't any other symptoms your doctor might repeat these tests at a later time before deciding either way. Lab tests results alone aren't enough for a diagnosis. Best, Elaine
Mar 28, 2010 5:08 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The hep2 cells refers to the type of ANA test your lab used. See my other ANA article at:
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../autoantibody_test_advances
It talks about the test you had not being as specific.

There are many kinds of arthritis: The ANA and also the RF test are usually positive in rheumatoid arthritis and in connective tissue disorders.
see:
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/connective_tissue_disor ders
and
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../mixed_connective_tissue_diseas e
these conditions all cause symptoms of arthritis

If they're negative, you want to consider osteoarthritis and also the spondyloathropathies.
See:
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../the_spondyloarthropathies
In addition, arthritis can be caused by a number of different infections, such as Lyme disease and human parvovirusB19/
See:
autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/.../human_parvovirus_b19_infection
and also Reiter's disease at
www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/reiters_disease

I hope some of this information helps. best, elaine
Apr 7, 2010 10:56 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your high ANA, DNA Antibodies and CRP, your doctor will correlate these results with you symptoms and signs to make a diagnosis. He or she may need to run still more tests and will then put all the pieces together. You might want to ask more about your anemia and see what you can do to raise your hemoglobin and hematocrit levels. Best, Elaine
Apr 9, 2010 1:54 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your 1:160 ANA your doctor will need to order more tests, such as tests for ds-DNA and rheumatoid factor. Then, between your symptoms and the lab tests, your doctor will be able to tell if you have a connective tissue disorder. The WBC count is low in many conditions so it's not diagnostic, and a low RBC can be seen in anemia. It's good you're seeing a rheumatologist. best, elaine
Apr 10, 2010 2:34 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Jean,
Your ANA is high enough that it's probably not a false positive result. Because you mention dry eyes, sjogren's is a good possibility although any of the other connective tissue disorders are also possible. Your doctor will run tests for specific ANA antibodies like SSa and SSb, which are positive in Sjogren's. You might want to read my article on sjogren's subtypes and on connective tissue disorders. I also have an article on dry eye syndrome. best, elaine
Apr 15, 2010 9:26 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Apparently PCOS is associated with some positive antibody tests. See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

Because I haven't seen much research on this before I'm not sure how high titers generally are in PCOS. Hypothyroidism can also cause a positive ANA, but titers aren't usually as high as yours.

Some of the antibodies that cause an ANA and autoimmune hepatitis and other liver conditions weren't tested in the panel you mentioned.

You might also want to read my article on undifferentiated tissue diseases at
http://www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/undifferentiated_tissue_disease< br />
As for your hypothyroid symptoms, you may be right. People who have anti-TSH antibodies can have a falsely elevated TSH level and people with various forms of thyroid resistance can have TSH levels that don't correlate with thyroid hormone levels. It would be good if you could see an endo if your doctor won't run the FT4 and FT3 tests. Ideally, your doctor would order these tests and also tests for thyroid antibodies and some of the other antibodies such as anti-mitochondrial antibodies that are mentioned in the abstract. Best, Elaine
Apr 18, 2010 9:08 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It's unfortunate that you have to wait so long to see an internist. In the meantime your doctor could run tests for SSa and SSb, SCL-70, and PM-scl. These tests could help in pointing toward or ruling out Sjogren's, scleroderma (systemic sclerosis) or polymyositis. The American Rheumatology Association has lists of disease criteria for most of the connective tissue disorders. Best, Elaine
Apr 18, 2010 10:01 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I haven't heard of Femera causing a false positive ANA. It may not have been studied yet.
A positive ANA isn't a condition. It's a lab marker or test that detects antibodies that target the cell nucleus. There are many kinds of ANA, and people with these antibodies often have autoimmune connective tissue disorders. But some people in the normal population have ANA and the incidence of this increases with age. Titers that are especially low are likely to not be associated with any specific disorder. Best, Elaine
Apr 18, 2010 4:12 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Regarding your daughter, the last part of your post sort of ended abruptly, but I think you were going to say that the other confirmatory tests were negative. You might need to write again but I have several articles on autoimmune skin conditions that you might want to read and also my article on lupus disorders, which describes discoid lupus
www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/lupus_disorders
and
my article on lichen planus
www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/lupus_disorders
best, elaine
Apr 24, 2010 7:55 PM
Elaine Moore :
Your rheumatologist may feel that your levels are too low to be consistent with systemic lupus. Low levels of the antibodies you have can be seen in some of the rheumatic diseases. Because you mention ears and chest the disorder that comes to mind is relapsing polychondritis. See
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/relapsing_polychondriti s

This probably isn't it at all but it'll give you an idea of other conditions including undifferentiated connective tissue disorders that can cause abnormal test results. Best, Elaine
Apr 30, 2010 8:52 AM
Elaine Moore :
THB:
You haven't had enough tests for a diagnosis but your elevated CPK with the high ANA suggests a musculoskeletal disorder, maybe one of the myositis/polymyositis disorders or myasthenia gravis. Your doctor will likely run more specific tests to find the cause of the ANA elevation. Good luck. Best, Elaine
May 4, 2010 9:30 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Centromere antibodies can be seen in first degree relatives of someone with lupus. Your having antibodies doesn't necessarily mean that you have a specific autoimmune disorder. Your doctor will look at all your signs, symptoms and lab tests results to see if they meet the specific diagnostic criteria for lupus or any of the other autoimmune connective tissue disorders. Best, Elaine
May 6, 2010 7:54 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
When the ANA titer is low like 1:16 it can be a false positive. the nucleolar pattern can occur in scleroderma. Your doctor might run some other tests to see if scleroderma or CREST syndrome are possible. best, elaine
May 10, 2010 12:42 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Vicky,
There are two tests used to confirm RNP, the anti-RNP test and the U-1 for snRNP. They're decribed, along with the diagnostic criteria for MCTD in my article:
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/mixed_connective_tissue _disease
I also read something this year, probably on Life Extension, that people with low vitamin D levels and UCTD are more likely to progress to lupus, and people with adequate levels don't progress. I wrote a blog or article on this. I would think this would hold true for MCTD as well as UCTD. Best, Elaine
May 16, 2010 9:35 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your ANA result is low enough that it could be caused by the hypothyroidism. Your doctor will probably run a vitamin D level and other tests to see why your calcium was low. A low vitamin D can cause calcium levels to fall. Your rheumatologist may run a few other tests to be on the safe side. best, elaine
May 17, 2010 3:29 PM
Marcus Lavar Hayden :
I had a blood test taken and it came back with a ana titer 1:80 speckled and it had a note that said positive at screening dilution 1:40. My HLA-B27 was negative also. Just wondering what it coujld be if anything. The medications I am taking consist of Trileptal and Keppra and Medrol. Thanks
May 17, 2010 3:36 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The HLAB27 marker is seen in the connective tissue disorder ankylosing spondylitis. Your negative results shows you don't have this. I'm not sure if your meds could cause a false positive ANA but with your result being low it may not be related to anything. Your doctor will have to run more tests, like ds DNA, to see if this result suggests anything and then he'll correlate your results with your symptoms. best, elaine
May 17, 2010 3:45 PM
Marcus Lavar Hayden :
I had a blood test taken and it came back with a ana titer 1:80 speckled and it had a note that said positive at screening dilution 1:40. My HLA-B27 was negative also. Just wondering what it coujld be if anything. The medications I am taking consist of Trileptal and Keppra and Medrol. Thanks
May 19, 2010 10:08 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your doctor will probably repeat your ANA at some point to see if it's a true elevation. I can't think of anything that fits your symptoms. People with celiac disease can get mouth sores. Swelling can occur in angioedema related to thyroid antibodies. see my article on rashes and hives and the one on hypersensitivity reactions. I'd definitely ask for thyroid tests including tests for thyroid antibodies. best, elaine
May 27, 2010 8:12 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
It sounds like a seronegative form of arthritis. your doctor will likely run more tests. you might want to read my articles on connective tissue disorders, undifferentiated connected tissue disorders, drug-related arthritis and the spondyloarthropathies. best, elaine
May 29, 2010 10:38 AM
Elaine Moore :
If your blood tests positive for ANA, the blood specimen is diluted with saline and run again to see at what dilution it still tests positive. A 1:10 dilution is very low so your ANA could be a false positive. Your doctor will run more tests to see if a specific type of ANA shows up. Best, Elaine
Jun 14, 2010 7:54 PM
Elaine Moore :
It seems a repeat vitamin D level is needed whether there are new symptoms or not to make sure you're absorbing supplements properly if your level was low. If your vitamin D level was high, you'd want it rechecked.
Granulomas usually occur in sarcoidosis. See autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/sarcoidosis

A test for serum angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) is helpful for diagnosing sarcoidosis. best, elaine
Jun 24, 2010 5:39 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'm sorry to hear your daughter's not feeling well.
You forgot to include the RA result. I'm assuming it was negative.

ANA can be positive in the absence of any condition, but it would be good if your doctor ran a few more tests. Celiac disease can cause nausea and joint pain and similar symptoms can occur from milk or egg allergies. I'd look in this direction next. Best, Elaine
Jul 15, 2010 12:23 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Many disorders including autoimmune hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's thryoiditis) can cause an elevated ANA result. Most connective tissue disorders like lupus cause an elevated sed rate during flares and yours was low. Nothing offhand suggests lupus, but your doctor would need to run more specific tests like the ds-DNA antibody test.
Hypothyroidism can cause joint pain and it can be associated with sun sensitivity. It's important to find a doctor who will run tests for FT4, FT3 and TSH to help determine the best type and amount of replacement hormone. For instance some people need T3 as well as T4 (levothyroxine) replacement hormone. Thyroid hormone levels that are too low for your body's needs can also lead to lipid disorders and increase your risk of cardiovascular disease.

Most of your results look normal although chloride may be elevated depending on the lab's reference range, and the Lyme Disease antibody test needs to be interpreted against the lab's reference (or normal) range. Best, Elaine
Jul 21, 2010 9:59 AM
Elaine Moore :
Ann, ask your doctor to fax or mail you a copy of your daughter's test results. The negative RF just shows that she doesn't have rheumatoid arthritis, and the other tests show little inflammation. The ANA should list a number or positive or negative, a dual pattern could suggest that no specific pattern is emerging, but this implies that ANA are present. The level could also be very low and not signify anything, but it would be good to see the results.
Jul 30, 2010 9:09 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Kurt,
Certain medications can cause a type of drug-related lupus or drug-related arthritis (see my articles on these disorders), and these conditions can cause a positive ANA. These conditions also resolve on their own when the drug is stopped. This is a possibility in your daughter's case with ibuprofen. as you mentioned, your doctor will run more tests to help determine what might be going on. best, elaine
Aug 9, 2010 8:08 AM
Elaine Moore :
I'm not sure what is causing your positive ANA. Your doctor would need to run other tests such as SSa and SSb and ds-DNA. Ask about Sjogren's. A positive ANA could also be related to medications. Some drugs cause a condition called drug related lupus that resolves when the offending meds are discontinued. You might want to read my articles on drug related lupus and on drug related arthritis and also sjogren's subtypes. best, elaine
Aug 11, 2010 7:48 PM
Elaine Moore :
since you have lupus, you would expect your ANA to be positive. the titer can be higher during flares and low during periods of remission. the total ch50 is a test that measures of total complement, which is an immune system chemical. see my article on complement. I don't see a result listed, but in general total complement is low in lupus. best, elaine
Aug 20, 2010 7:27 AM
bigbook :
My 16 year old daughter is having problems with frequent aphthous ulcers in her mouth (they occur frequently and last months). Blood work by family doctor included
CBC - normal
C Peptite <16
Sed Rate 11
TSH 0.65
Vitamin B12 normal
Vitamin D normal
Her ANA screen, IFA is positive with homogeneous pattern and ANA Titer 1:320

She does not have symptoms of joint pain, photosensitivity, rashes, etc.
The reason we took her to the doctor was frequent aphthous ulcers in her mouth.
Her past medical history is only positive for a salivary duct stone years ago that was surgically removed and she has been noted to have benign hematuria. She was evaluated by renal ultrasound a couple of years ago.
She is on no medications other than a multiple vitamin.
Parent family history - mom has benign hematuria that has been evaluated by cystoscopy, renal ultrasound and frequent follow ups.

I then took her to see an Ear, nose and throat doctor after the lab was all back and he said she has chronic cryptic tonsillits and she is now scheduled for a tonsillectomy. Her throat was very red, irritated and slightly coated. He feels this is causing the current lab results?


Anyhow, I was going to get the tonsils out and then give her some healing time, repeat the labs and add some specific labs such as anti-ds DNA, anti smith, ssa, ssb and see what that looks like, then consider the pediatric rheumatologist. We have the rheumatologist on hold since her appointment was on the tonsil surgery date.

My 16 year old daughter is having problems with frequent aphthous ulcers in her mouth. Blood work by family doctor included
CBC - normal
C Peptite <16
Sed Rate 11
TSH 0.65
Vitamin B12 normal
Vitamin D normal
Her ANA screen, IFA is positive with homogeneous pattern and ANA Titer 1:320

She does not have any other symptoms, rashes, fevers etc.
The reason we took her to the doctor was frequent aphthous ulcers in her mouth.
Her past medical history is only positive for a salivary duct stone years ago that was surgically removed and she has been noted to have benign hematuria. She was evaluated by renal ultrasound a couple of years ago.
She is on no medications other than a multiple vitamin.
Parent family history - mom has benign hematuria that has been evaluated by cystoscopy, renal ultrasound and frequent follow ups.

They are setting her up to see a pediatric rheumatologist in the near future.

Your thoughts as it pertains to this ANA postive, homogeneous pattern and 1:320 titer and where to go from here?



Aug 20, 2010 8:22 AM
Elaine Moore :
The mention of apthous ulcers immediately brings gluten intolerance to mind. please read
http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/atypical_celiac_disease _symptoms and my article on gluten intolerance and diagnostic tests for celiac disease.
A positive ANA isn't usually seen in gluten sensitivity but it can be. It's a good idea to have the ds-DNA and other follow up tests to rule out Sjogren's and Lupus, and it's also important to have tests for gliadin and tissue transglutaminase antibodies. Even if they're negative the experts today feel gluten tolerance can be checked for by eliminating wheat, rye and barley and seeing if symptoms subside. if they do, then you rechallenge by adding wheat to see if symptoms return. Best, Elaine
Aug 21, 2010 12:30 PM
Elaine Moore :
the centromere antibody profile can occur in a number of different conditions, including Sjogren's and drug-induced lupus. see my article
http://www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/anticentromere_antibodies

centromere antibodies are also associated with limited scleroderma. best, elaine
Sep 19, 2010 9:39 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Nat,
The change in your lab tests might not be a real change because the result is subject to interpretation and there's only one difference in the dilution. Someone might see the results as appearing positive at 1:320 and another person might still see changes at the next dilution of your blood, which would be the 1:640 dilution.
The specific antigens that show reactions hint at possible connective tissue disorders you might have. Please also read my articles on connective tissue disorders, undifferentiated connective tissue disorders and pitfalls of the ANA test.
Your combination of positive tests could suggest an undifferentiated connective tissue disorder, Sjogren's syndrome (see my article on Sjogren's subtypes) scleroderma, or a mixed connective tissue disorder.
For each of these disorders, the American College of Rheumatology has devised what's called diagnostic criteria. For each disorder, finding a certain number of matching parameters (like joint pain, or a positive ANA) out of a total list (like 8 out of 12) is needed before a diagnosis can be made. So your doctor will be evaluating your test results along with your signs and symptoms and perhaps ordering more diagnostic tests like a saliva test if he susects Sjogren's. Best, Elaine
Sep 25, 2010 10:20 AM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your high titer with negative antigens, did you have tests for RNP antibodies? If no known antigens react, you could have an undifferentiated connective tissue disorder. Your physician will make a diagnosis based on these test results along with your symptoms and signs. Best, Elaine
Sep 28, 2010 5:17 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The ANA test measures antinuclear antibodies. These are autoantibodies directed against various components in the cell nuclei. A titer of 1:40 is very low and can be seen in people with no evidence of a connective tissue disorder. Most doctors would repeat the test in 6 months. However, if you have any symptoms or signs of a connective tissue disorder, it's a good idea to consult with a rheumatologist. He can run more tests to see what specific ANA is causing the reaction.
See www.suite101.com/content/connective-tissue-disorders-a14546
Best, Elaine
Oct 2, 2010 5:44 AM
skallur :
Hi Elaine,

My wife y'day got her blood sample results. It says:
1. ESR (Sed Rate) as 30 (range is 0-20).
2. Rheumatoid Factor (RA Titre) is less than 10
3. ANA is POSITIVE (A)
4. ANA Patn is Speckled (A)
5. ANA Titre is 1:160 (A) - (range is < 1:40)

The lab has mentioned a note: "The speckled pattern in associated with a wide variety of autoimmune diseases including SLE, MCTD, SS and PSS"

She had complained about pain in her shoulder for 3 days and was taking Tylenol for 3 days. Now her doctor recommended to meet Rheumatologist. I am really concerned about it. Can you please advise? Appreciate your help.
Oct 2, 2010 7:00 AM
skallur :
Hi Elaine,

My wife y'day got her blood sample results. It says:
1. ESR (Sed Rate) as 30 (range is 0-20).
2. Rheumatoid Factor (RA Titre) is less than 10
3. ANA is POSITIVE (A)
4. ANA Patn is Speckled (A)
5. ANA Titre is 1:160 (A) - (range is < 1:40)

The lab has mentioned a note: "The speckled pattern in associated with a wide variety of autoimmune diseases including SLE, MCTD, SS and PSS"

She had complained about pain in her shoulder for 3 days and was taking Tylenol for 3 days. Now her doctor recommended to meet Rheumatologist. I am really concerned about it. Can you please advise? Appreciate your help.
Oct 2, 2010 2:13 PM
Elaine Moore :
The slight elevation in the sed rate suggests either inflammation or infection; this isn't a specific test but more of a marker or indicator;
The ANA titer, while positive, is low. The titer shows the dilution of the serum that continues to give a positive result. In severe inflammatory disorders, the titers are much higher. However, titers change with higher titers seen during flares where symptoms are worse.

A speckled pattern rules out lupus. See my articles on connective tissue disorders for other conditions that cause a positive ANA. Because the titer is low your wife's doctor may not be able to diagnose a specific condition but may diagnose her with a mixed connective tissue disorder or an undifferentiated connective tissue disorder. see my articles on these subjects too.
These are chronic conditions with symptoms that wax and wane and respond to drugs that reduce inflammation. Some conditions that occur in people with low vitamin D levels are less likely to progress when vitamin D levels are corrected. best, elaine
Oct 2, 2010 3:11 PM
Elaine Moore :
to 14-year old who wrote, read my article on Raynaud's at
www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/raynauds_syndrome this could account for your fingers.
Your titer is only modestly elevated and your doctor will need to run a few different tests to see if there's a specific antigen that you're reacting to. The ANA can also be positive in a number of different conditions besides connective tissue disorders and in people with no signs of disease.
Certain medications, particularly antibiotics, can also cause a positive ANA test result and rash in conditions called drug related lupus. See my article on that condition too if you've been on any meds. best, elaine
Oct 3, 2010 11:14 AM
skallur :
Hi Elaine,

My wife y'day got her blood sample results. It says:
1. ESR (Sed Rate) as 30 (range is 0-20).
2. Rheumatoid Factor (RA Titre) is less than 10
3. ANA is POSITIVE (A)
4. ANA Patn is Speckled (A)
5. ANA Titre is 1:160 (A) - (range is < 1:40)

The lab has mentioned a note: "The speckled pattern in associated with a wide variety of autoimmune diseases including SLE, MCTD, SS and PSS"

She had complained about pain in her shoulder for 3 days and was taking Tylenol for 3 days. Now her doctor recommended to meet Rheumatologist. I am really concerned about it. Can you please advise? Appreciate your help.
Oct 6, 2010 10:33 AM
Elaine Moore :
Your doctor should tell you if you have systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) or discoid lupus along with Raynaud's. See www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/lupus_disorders

The ANA rises when symptoms flare. Most people with systemic lupus are prescribed meds to slow down their immune system like Plaquenil or steroids. Most people with lupus are treated by rheumatologists. You might ask for a consultation to make sure you're getting the best treatment. take care, elaine
Oct 20, 2010 10:52 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Your positive ANA of 1:160 could be caused by your autoimmune hypothyroidism. Slight anemia is a common side effect of hypothyroidism. Your liver enzymes are only slightly elevated but your doctor will probably want to do more liver function tests to look for a cause. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease is the most common cause of elevated liver enzymes and it can be reversed with diet. One of the major causes is high fructose corn syrup in soft drinks. Your low GFR should be repeated and other kidney function tests run to make sure you're not developing kidney problems. Your longstanding untreated hypothyroidism may have caused some imbalances that take time to correct. be sure your replacement hormone is being monitored with both FT4 and FT3 levels since TSH can be falsely decreased if you also have TSH receptor antibodies. best, elaine
Oct 23, 2010 10:36 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
You may have had one of the multiplex ANA tests since your results weren't reported in a titer.
See http://www.suite101.com/content/autoantibody-test-advances-a136962

False positives can occur and also some people, especially older people or people with a family history of autoimmune disease, can have antinuclear antibodies without any other signs or symptoms of disease. This is called autoimmunity rather than autoimmune disease. The ds-DNA test is important for diagnosing or ruling out lupus. Depending on your symptoms your doctor will probably run a few different tests to help diagnose or rule out different disorders. best, elaine
Oct 23, 2010 10:43 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
For your positive SSA antibody result, see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7760718
This explains that the SSA can occur in a number of different diseases and it can also occur for no reason.
Your anemia is mild to moderate and your doctor should be able to tell the cause from the red blood cell parameters on your CBC. For instance a low mcv could suggest iron deficieny. Your BUN is normal and doesn't indicate kidney problems. It sounds like your main concern is weight loss. It would be good to have FT4 and FT3 levels to make sure that the replacement hormone for your hypothyroidism isn't too high, and you could also have tests for adrenal function. I hope you start to feel better. best, elaine
Oct 23, 2010 10:53 AM
Elaine Moore :
The hand symptom you're mentioning sounds similar to that seen in scleroderma. See also
www.suite101.com/content/understanding-scleroderma-a18792
Raynaud's phenomenon can also cause hand pain. Degenerative disk disease is usually caused by aging or injury whereas the rheumatologic or arthritic symptoms and changes like inflammation are seen in the connective tissue disorders. Some doctors think a high ANA is only seen in lupus but it can occur in all of the connective tissue disorders. See
http://www.suite101.com/content/connective-tissue-disorders-a14546
best, elaine
Oct 23, 2010 9:15 PM
Josie :
Hi,

I have had an ANA test with a reading of 25 and a ref range of less than 7. My ANA pattern is speckled plus homogeneous. My anit-SSA came back as not excuded. I have many generic symptoms such as fatigue, skin issues, headaches, gastrointestinal problems etc etc. I am 29 years old and as far as i am aware there is no family history of autoimmune disease. The Dr has order more teasted being ENA and DNA. Is 25 ANA slight, moderate or severe increase in ANA, what does it indicate, could it mean nothing at all or it def means something.?

Thank you for any elp
Oct 23, 2010 9:18 PM
Josie :
oh and my white blood cell count is low for about three weeks out of every month, ref range of 2-7 and mine is between 1.4 - 1.8
Oct 24, 2010 10:15 AM
Elaine Moore :
An ANA of 25 is a moderate increase and doesn't necessarily mean that you have a connective tissue disorder. The additional tests along with any signs and symptoms you have will help your doctor rule out or diagnose specific conditions. best, elaine
Nov 6, 2010 11:15 AM
Elaine Moore :
Regarding your mom's test, her positive ANA result isn't necessarily associated with any autoimmune conditions. From the article you may have read that a speckled pattern isn't typically seen in systemic sclerosis. Your doctor may want to run more specific tests such as anti-Sm or SSa to see if there are specific ANA present. Best, Elaine
Nov 6, 2010 11:22 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi, regarding your ANA with a nucleolar pattern, it could be a false positive result. Your doctor would need to run other tests such as antibodies to scl-70 to see if there is any suggestion of sclerosis. I'd also ask to have thyroid antibodies tested as autoimmune thyroid disorders or thyroid autoimmunity can cause hives and cause a positive ANA. See my article on rashes and hives.
Hives are also commonly caused by reactions to foods or medications. Sometimes, they only occur when one is exposed to allergens and then the immune system is stimulated by stress or exercise. I used to get them from cooked celery followed by a workout and it took some time to figure that one out. Best, Elaine
Nov 7, 2010 2:24 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Laurie,
You'll need more tests but your results suggest an inflammatory process, perhaps a connective tissue disorder or drug related lupus, a condition caused by certain meds that resolves when the meds are stopped. Please see my articles on undifferentiated connective tissue disease at
http://www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/undifferentiated_tissue_disease< br />and also my articles on mixed connective tissue disease and drug related lupus and drug related arthritis. Autoimmune connective tissue disorders are vary variable. Symptoms often come and go (wax and wane) and conditions can range from very mild to severe.
Nov 12, 2010 8:00 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
The speckled pattern can be associated with Sjogren's and since you mentioned eye dryness, this is a good possibility. see my article on sjogren's subtypes and my article on SSa antibodies. A negative SSa in Sjogren's is a good sign. There are several tests and a number of diagnostic criteria used to diagnose sjogen's. The American Rheumatological Association should have a list of diagnostic criteria for Sjgren's. With no local rheumatologist, you may want to see an internist instead. best, elaine
Nov 21, 2010 9:20 PM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your 1:160 titer with borderline ds-DNA, your doctor will probably want to run more tests and re-run the ANA. People with hypothyroidism can have a low titer ANA so your result may be related to that. The ANA is more of a screening test. best, elaine
Dec 7, 2010 11:51 AM
MomOf4Teens :
Hello, I have been going to all kinds of Drs and now I am scared. This is what my blood test shows: homogeneous pattern ANA positive, 1:320, Antigen detected: DNA (ds,ss) Histone...and then it says Suggested Disease Association: High titers - SLE...and my Sjogren's anti ssb is high, 1.7. My rheumatologist did not come out and say I have lupus, but asked me lots of questions. I don't have skin rashes, don't have achy or inflamed joints. What I DO have is randon muscle ances in arms & legs, burning sensations in feet & sometimes other strange places like the top of my head, mild pain in the center of the breastbone/chest area/breast tissue, sometimes tingling in hands & arms & face. No dry eyes or mouth. This sounds to me like I have SLE, but he didnt order additional tests, suggested I take an anti-inflammatory and was going to give me predisone....any suggestions? I wish I could get a real diagnosis, I am so scared....
Dec 7, 2010 12:49 PM
Elaine Moore :
Regarding your 1:320 ANA titer, it sounds like you probably haven't met the criteria for a diagnosis of systemic lupus. ds-DNA antibodies as well as the other antibodies you mentioned are seen in a number of other disorders. And as you've probably read a positive ANA can occur in the absence of any other disorders. The American Rheumatological Association has a list of the criteria that need to be met for a diagnosis of lupus. I suspect your doctor will want to see how you respond to anti-inflammatory agents and observe your symptoms more before ordering more tests.
Dec 13, 2010 6:51 PM
Anna McConkey :
I am a 28 year old female and just had a positive ANA. One titer was 640 speckled and the second was 1280 homogenous. My sed rate was 2. At the same time, I had a barely positive ASO. For the past 8 months, I have run a low grade fever 99.1 and had a very sore throat. My lymph nodes are have been swollen this entire time, on the side that my throat is sore. Each ENT I saw told me there was no evidence of infection in my throat, and cultures were negative, though the pain persisted. My tonsils were taken out 4 years ago. Six weeks ago, I was given z-pack for brochitis, at which point my sore throat finally went away as did my fever. Now, my sore throat is back, though much more mildly, and my fevers are also back. Could a constant strep infection be causing the high ANA? My doctor refuses to run another ASO to see which direction things are going in. I have no other signs of lupus other than mild pain in one hip which I've had for 10 years, fatigue (which comes with chasing after my two year old) and anxiety. Will a rheumatologist be able to sort this out or should I see an infectious disease doctor as well? Thanks so much in advance!
Dec 13, 2010 7:58 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
I'd see a rheumatologist who can run more tests to see if there's a cause for your positive ANA results. The ASO test doesn't provide that much information and it's not often used today. Your rheumatologist can always order antibody tests for EBV or CMV if he thinks there's an infectious trigger behind your ANA results. best, elaine
Dec 16, 2010 10:32 AM
Elaine Moore :
Hi,
Minocycline is a well known trigger of drug related lupus, and even after you stop meds, the
ANA test can be positive for a long time. See www.suite101.com/content/drug-related-lupus-a8747 and also my article on drug-related arthritis

www.suite101.com/content/drug-related-arthritis-a65776

If you had shots for hepatitis B, your hep B antibody test will be positive showing immunity. Rarely, the shots don't cause immunity and a booster is given. The shots can, like all vaccines, stimulate your immune system, but they haven't been implicated in drug related lupus.
Dec 28, 2010 7:47 PM
Guest :
I am wondering about my test result: My ANA titre is 1:1350 with positive screen and Nucleolar pattern. Alll the subset tests were negative (Scl-70, centomer, histone, RNP, PM-ScL, SSA, SSB, Anti-SM, anti-dsDNA). The doc put me on Savella, Plaquenil and Imuran and said he isn't sure I have Lupus since my symptoms are not prominent but the ANA is so high. My fingers are swelling and wrists are swelling and losing range of motion but no discoloration or skin changes. I'm curious what your comments are regarding this? Thanks in advance!
Dec 30, 2010 10:35 AM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your high pattern with no specific antigens testing positive, your doctor will want to correlate your symptoms with the results. Possibilities are undifferentiated connective tissue disease or drug related lupus.
Jan 7, 2011 8:29 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi, even with your high ANA, your negative ds-DNA suggests that you don't have systemic lupus.

Lupus anticoagulant can occur on its own or in many other conditions, including thyroid disease. See more at www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/265
Having lupus anticoagulant is a common cause of DVT and also recurrent miscarriages.

Your positive histone antibody could indicate drug related lupus, which is a lupus-like condition caused by many different medications. See
www.suite101.com/content/drug-related-lupus-a8747

DRL resolves when the offending med is discontinued. I hope this helps, elaine
Jan 8, 2011 10:49 AM
Guest :
hello....have a question about my son"s blood work...it came back asa ana positive, 1:40 homogenous and his eosinophils were 601, hemoglobin 17.4, hematocrit 52.7. reason for concern? can the ana come back positive in lymes disease?
Jan 10, 2011 8:41 AM
ticketblender :
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Jan 10, 2011 8:49 AM
ticketblender :
There is a lot of info. already here so I apologize in advance but my head is spinning and I'm not even sure what our Dr. is tying to tell me. My 11 yr. old daughter had strep throat but was also very tired and having more anxiety than what she normally has (what 11 yr. old girl doesn't have some?). She ordered up full blood work and urinalysis. Her results that have the Dr. concerned were a positive ANA screen. Her ANA titer reads: mixed pattern 1:160. Homogeneous 1:160. Atypical Speckled Pattern. If I understand correctly, 3-5% of the population could have similar results and have nothing wrong with them, but the other 90+% would present with some form of disconnective tissue disorder. Am I correctly informed and should I be freaking out as bad as I am? We are waiting for some further confirmation on these tests and I'm a bit of a mess with worry.
Jan 13, 2011 7:15 AM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,
Thank you SO much for this amazing information! My child (9) has been having popping, clicking in her joints for about a year. Her knees have been swollen for about a year, the left one first than it changed to the right one about 4-5 mos ago. Last May the Drs thought it was orthopedic and she would grow out out of it. Then recently we went back into ortho and they ran tests.
ANA is 1:1280 (speckled)
And they also got back a postitive test that said she recently had Strep. We have no idea when that would have been though.
On my side (mother) we have a strong history of auto-immune diseases, Lupus, scleroderma, MS, Firbro and Raynauds

The Drs are sending her to a Pediatric Rheumy, they think worst case JRA. I was wondering is there a possibility it is a another auto-immune disorder? They also said some people can have multiple auto-immune problems if they have one.
She's so little and it feels like her Drs.are concerned which makes me even more worried. :(
Thank you so much!
-Scared Mother
Jan 13, 2011 11:21 AM
Guest :
Can you help me to understand the results. The dr thought a mild case of Lupus for my 20 year old and ordered ANA test. I also have Raynauds and had surgery to assist. Could there be a connection? Does this indicate Lupus. I don't even know the questions to ask. I cannot sleep know this is serious. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks Kay

ANA (HEP2) TITER 1:640
ANA (HEP2) PATTERN Diffuse
ANTI-DNA 5
ANTI-SM 1.0
ANTI-RNP 1.0
ANTI-RO 2
ANTI-LA 2.0


C3 COMPLEMENT 107
C4 COMPLEMENT 17
ANTI-STREP O TITER 61
SEDIMENTATION RATE 20
VITAMIN D,25-OH,TOTAL 41
EOSINOPHIL 0.7

CBC results
WBC6.3
RBC4.40
HGB13.0
HCT38.3
MCV87.0
MCH29.6
MCHC34.0
RDW12.9
PLTS225
MPV10.1
NEUTROPHILS66.3
LYMPHOCYTES25.8
MONOCYTES6.6
EOSINOPHIL0.7
BASOPHIL 0.6
ABS NEUTROPHILS INSTRUMENT4.18
ABS LYMPHOCYTES INSTRUMENT 1.63
ABS MONOCYTE INSTRUMENT0.42
ABS EOS INSTRUMENT0.04
ABS BASOPHIL INSTRUMENT0.04
Jan 15, 2011 10:10 AM
Guest :
I am a 55 yr. old happy, healthy female, play tennis 3-4x per week, no joint pain. But I do have Raynauds (my 80 yr old mom has minor case of it too) that started about 3 yrs. ago, and has gotten worse this year. My fingers have swollen, and my rings no longer fit. After going in for a face rash (not malar-or butterfly shaped, but mostly around my eyes and nasal folds) and treated successfully with some kind of tetracycline. When I was in, the Dr. ordered blood tests. They came back all fine (RF, cholesterol, etc.) EXCEPT a high titer ANA of 1:1280, with an anticentromere pattern. She referred me to a Rheumatology Specialist. I went, she examined me thoroughly, and asked all kinds of questions, had me walk on my heals and toes, etc. (I am very flexible and not in pain). She ordered a whole slew of other blood work/urinalysis be done, so I did that.
I have my follow up on Monday. Evidently the blood work came back neg. for all the common autoimmune diseases (Lupus, RA, Sjogren's) but my ANA was still the same. One of the nurses did call me to tell my I had a UTI (of which I was unaware) and she put me on a 3 day course of Bactrim, which I'm guessing cleared that up. My question is, at my age, perimenopausal (and still menstruating), with no other meds or problems, and only taking vitamins, eating healthy and exercising regularly, what is the BEST outcome (or diagnosis) I can hope for?
Would limited scleroderma or CREST be the best? Could it be that my ANA was high from a long-lived UTI, or the facial rash? Could it be that high just from the Raynaud's? Could it be cancer? I'm tired of worrying, and want to continue a healthy vibrant life.
Jan 17, 2011 11:36 PM
Guest :
I feel so frustrated i was diagnosed with an a.n.a of 3:33 but the doctor do not seem this could be realated to two previous miscarrages one of 4 months and the other of 7 months everyday i have anxciety i am now 22 weeks. I need advice and help.
Jan 26, 2011 10:55 AM
Elaine Moore :
reply to 55-yr old female. Sometimes the ANA is positive for no apparent reason. Not enough is known about conditions that can rarely interact with the test. However, cancer isn't associated with a positive ANA. Your doctor will probably run more specific tests, for instance, for scl70 antibodies, and he'll repeat your titer on occasion. if it falls as your UTI clears, that would likely be the cause.
Jan 26, 2011 11:04 AM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your 9-yr old, the positive ANA test doesn't always indicate that there's an autoimmune disease. Your doctor will want to run more tests, including tests for RF and CCP to check for juvenile arthritis. The ASO can be positive for a long time after a strep infection. Once all the results are in your doctor will correlate the results with clinical symptoms. This may result in a diagnosis. best to you.
Jan 26, 2011 11:15 AM
Elaine Moore :
I wouldn't worry about an ANA of 1:40. Titers that low are generally just repeated at a later date. I'm not sure of your lab's reference ranges, but in general elevated eosinophil counts are from allergic reactions or parasitic infections.
Jan 26, 2011 11:19 AM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your daughter's mixed 1:160 pattern, first I apologize for the delay but since Jan 8th, I haven't been receiving comments in my inbox and just realized this today. By now she should have had more tests done and you may have more answers. Your conclusions are correct though, and isolated mixed positive ANA results aren't usually indicative of anything. It would be good to repeat the tests after her strep infection has resolved.
Jan 27, 2011 12:06 PM
sandee74 :
thank you for this article and all the follow up answers to questions. please answer/help with mine. i tested with a skin biopsy lupus positive in 2003 and at the same time admitted to the hospital and tested positive for SLE the biopsy results came in at the same time. I had several dsdna positive test after but mostly negative and ana positve mostly but then negative all of last year until this month jan 2011 tested positve for ANA, neg for dsdna(last positive mar of 2008. my doctor says my sle is quiet, not active, however i fell crappy and this has been on going my flares have been non stop stop since diagnose, the new rhuemy says its just fibromaygia, but i still have constant joint pain with and without inflammation, chronic fatigue- pleurisy, pericarditis, low platelets, then ITP, then spleen removal-high platelets finally- severe headaches-swollen feet- extreme leg pain turned into DVT and pulmonary embolism-enlarged thyroid showed int the ct scan of those after test dr diagnosed as hashimotis thyroidis all of this since april of 2009 til january of 2011 in that order. Is my SLE still active occurding to this systmoms -positve ANA- and diesease complications/manifestations ? a little info constant pain and fatigue is woke me up to something wrong in 2002 complained until my body shut down and a rash for 6 or so months got as bad as it could and the test came back positive in 2003 a year later, the pain never went a way anf the fatigue good a little better but its always up and down i know when i have a bad flare when the pain meds dont help the pain or fatigue at all and i can no longer get mobile, i'll go to the er and then the will discover something like the blood clots or the pericarditis, i also was dignosed with lupsu nepritis class 3 that has been in remission for about a year now back down to what they consider normal blood in the urine. thank you so much.sondra
Feb 2, 2011 6:57 PM
Elaine Moore :
RNP antibodies are often seen in mixed connective tissue disorders. See:
www.suite101.com/content/mixed-connective-tissue-disease-a14605
RNP can also be seen in chronic infections.
Hypothyroidism can also cause a positive ANA and some of your symptoms suggest that it would be good to have thyroid function tests too. best, elaine
Feb 2, 2011 7:04 PM
Elaine Moore :
A 1:40 ANA titer isn't generally considered significant. A titer this low can be seen in the normal population. Your doctor may want to repeat the test in 6-12 months. Best, elaine
Feb 5, 2011 7:12 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Kymmee,
If you've moved into having hypothyroidism, this could account for your symptoms and positive ANA results. About 20% of Graves' patients move into mild hypothyroidism. Your doctor will likely run more lab tests to see what specific antigens you're reacting to in case you've developed an autoimmune connective tissue disorder. best, elaine
Feb 7, 2011 12:23 PM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your 1:80 ana and 6 RF, you need to look at the reference or normal value for the RF result. If normal is <5, your result of 6 would be positive and suggest rheumatoid arthritis. All labs have different cutoffs. A 1:80 titer is low and could be seen in RA or for no reason. your doctor will need to run more specific tests before making a diagnosis.
Mar 3, 2011 7:50 AM
Guest :
My daughter is 6, has had L hip/leg pain x6mths, +ANA 1:640 homo and 1:320 speckled, + RF, and HLA B-27 positive. She has severe stomach aches off and on and the leg/hip pain comes and goes. All other labs normal, MRI B hips scheduled for 4-13-2011. I am a concerned parent. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you.
Ash
Mar 9, 2011 9:04 PM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,
I am a 44 year old female. I have Hypothyroidism. I have been very tired and have had a lot of pain in my upper back and lower back. I thought that maybe my thyroid medication was not working so I had some blood work done. The test came back positive ana with homogeneous pattern 1:320 titer. Also my Ferritin is 341. Can they be related? My doctor is sending me to two specialists a Gastroenterologist and a Rheumatologist. Thanks for your time.
LHR
Mar 10, 2011 9:45 AM
Elaine Moore :
Regarding ana and ferritin, they're probably not related since you don't mention anything else being elevated. Your ferritin is only slightly increased and this could have many causes including taking multivitamins with iron. The ANA can be positive in autoimmune hypothyroidism but elevations are more likely to be caused by connective tissue disorders, including rheumatoid arthritis. It's good that you're being referred to specialists who can run more tests and help determine what, if anything, is going on.
Mar 19, 2011 11:06 PM
Guest :
I am shocked that these people weren't referred for a LYME IGG IGM WESTERN BLOT test????? Many of them are symptomatic of Lyme disease!!!!!
Mar 24, 2011 7:52 AM
Guest :
Hi, I've read your article and your answers to the comments below and I find them very informative. I am hoping you could give me some info re: my test results. I've recently been diagnosed with Secondary FSGS (confirmed by Biopsy (no signs of lupus on biopsy), but they don't know what my FSGS is secondary to. My doctor ordered an ANA Screen. My ANA Titer (IFA) was 1:640 with a speckled pattern. My E. Sedimentation rate was 61 mm/hr. My Folic Acid, HGB.A1(glycohgb), Vitamin B12, RF(Quantitative) were all within normal range. My 250H, Vitamin D was 4.2 ng/ML (I've been given 50,000 units to take once a week). I was negative for HIV 1/2 Antibody. My GC, AMPLI., DNA was negative and my CHLAM, AMPLI, DNA was negative. My doctor is sending me to see an endocrinologist but not a rheumatologist. Any advice or links to article would be appreciated. Thank you.
Mar 27, 2011 9:11 PM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your question about FSGS, your ANA result suggests that your condition may be secondary to a connective tissue disorder, perhaps mixed or undifferentiated connective tissue disease. Your doctor will need to order more tests to help see what sort of pattern exists. This would include tests for antibodies to SSa, RNP and other nuclear antigens. Your high sed rate indicates inflammation, and your low 25 OH vitamin D level may be contributing to any symptoms. A low vitamin D is seen in a number of different autoimmune disorders and may be a contributing factor.
A search at Pub Med http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=fsgs%20autoimmune
for FSGS and autoimmune brought up a number of articles with the first describing an association with the autoimmune disorder CIDP. see http://www.suite101.com/content/cidp-a2752
Mar 28, 2011 11:32 PM
Guest :
I have a high titer speckled pattern value of 1:2560 and they are testing me to see if I have liver problems. I went in because I was having panic attacks known as appending doom syndrome.Would this have any thing to do with the condition? Is my Titer pattern seem really high to you? The other things I'm concerned about is that my Alpha 1 is low 73 and my ANA screen is positive. Does any of this seem right to you? My latest test was for ALT (SGPT) wich was high at 43 all of my protein levels are elevated.
Apr 7, 2011 5:18 AM
Guest :
I have received a blood screen result showing positive antinuclear factor with nucleolar pattern titre 1:640. Serum electrophoresis and rheumatoid factor are normal. There are no obvious findings of arthritis on plane films and MRI scan. Originally a clinical diagnosis of trochanteric bursitis was made. My main symptoms include painful joints around hips including in buttocks and in groin but I also have chronic diarrohea in the morning (originally suggetsed to be IBS), fatigue particularly in the morning which usually lessens during the day, neck and shoulder pain, heart arrythmia, painful periods and PMT (commonly lasting 10 days), often feel depressed but not all the time, I do have white tips to my fingers often when driving which takes a while to go and also when cold. I can't sleep on my sides as it's too painful but sitting down or standing up for periods also painful. I have been referred to a rheumatologist from my consultant in Orthopaedics and Trauma. I am told there is a waiting list of 5 months to see the rheumatologist. Please can you advise? L
Apr 8, 2011 11:20 AM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your positive ANA with nucleolar pattern, your doctor will need to run more tests before coming up with a diagnosis. The finger changes you mention sound like Raynaud's.
see www.suite101.com/blog/daisyelaine/raynauds_syndrome
for tips on improvement. I hope you can see the rheumatologist sooner.
May 11, 2011 9:12 AM
CarrieAB :
Hello: I am a 40 y/o mother of 2 and have been investigated for years for "some type" of auto immune disease. I have had 3 miscarriages due to Antiphospholipid antibodies. (I was on Heparin and low dose ASA in order to have my second cild) On my most recent blood test this was one of the findings: **ANA 1:80 Spindle pattern present. This uncommon cytoplasmic pattern has been reported in SLE and Sjogren's syndrome, and in other inflammatory disorders** I don't really understand the 1:80 part or what this has to do with anything. It says that the "normal result" should be less than 1:80. I would also like to know how often I should be tested for antiphospholipid antibodies, or when I should be concerned about clots etc. I take low dose aspirin daily. I have had previous issues with PE and as I said, 3 miscarriages. I don't smoke, drink (only sometimes socially), and I am not on birth control pills. If I am sure to eliminate risk factors such as these do I need to consider more regular monitoring or medication other than aspirin for the clotting issue? My blood tests for clotting are always all over the map. (one day normal, the next time they are abnormal). PLease let me know what you think 1) about the spindle pattern 1:80 business and 2) about the antiphospholipid business. Thank you so much.
May 12, 2011 2:01 PM
Elaine Moore :
Regarding your 1:80 spindle pattern: the initial ANA is performed on your serum. If it tests positive, the serum is further diluted (1:20 1:40, etc). Typically, the test is considered positive if a 1:40 dilution tests positive, but in recent years it's been decided that a 1:80 cutoff is more accurate since so many people in the normal population test positive at 1:40 titers. Even a 1:80 titer is considered borderline since many normal people can have tests. As for the spindle pattern, it's not specific for one disorder but tends to show up in viral infections, inflammation, in Raynaud's, carpal tunnel and a few other things.
Antiphospholipid syndrome is the leading cause of recurrent miscarriages and strokes in young women. To my knowledge, treatment is lifelong and varies between aspirin and heparin. You probably want to have regular tests (annually) to make sure you're on the correct amount of anticoagulant medication. As in most autoimmune disorders, symptoms wax and wane so there will be fluctuations in your antibody levels as well as your symptoms. Periods of stress tend to worsen autoimmune disorders. Following a low-inflammation diet may offer benefits. The important thing about APS is receiving a proper diagnosis (usual problem is people aren't tested) and then adhering to the proper meds based on testing. Read my articles on APS and autoimmune infertility. best, elaine
May 14, 2011 9:28 PM
Guest :
My ANA has been positive, specked 1:80, RF, normal, CRP, normal, CBC normal. X-rays for knees came back normal, waiting for fingers x-ray results. My ANA has come back at the same reading 3 times over the past 7 months now. My symptoms started 7 months ago.

I have knee pain, stiff in the morning. I feel like my knees are grinding when I walk. They get red and swell. Both knees.
My fingers swell, my doctor wrote on my notes 'obvious swelling in PIP joints'. Stiff, I can't make a fist or straighten fingers. Difficult to hold a pen etc.
Dry eyes. Dr has ruled out allergies and infection. I have an artificial tear drop, which helps lots. They burn and sting, but not gritty. They get puffy too.
Dry mouth. My orthodontist said that he saw what would be expected in early or mild Sjogren's but he doesn't specialize in that area so I need to see someone else about it.
I have nasal ulcers, sometimes oral.
Occasional rashes on face and chest. GPs have seen them have no idea.
Chest hurts when I breathe in.

I'm waiting to see a rheumatologist and an ophthalmologist. My GP said she is sure it's autoimmune and that my joints, eyes and ulcers are related. She wont run anymore tests and I have to wait to see a rheumatologist.

Do the tests she's run so far suggest or rule anything out? I've read about Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease. Is my ANA 'positive' enough to be considered for this?

Thanks.
May 15, 2011 6:02 PM
Elaine Moore :
A 1:80 ANA is usually considered borderline and can occur for no reason; but with yours testing the same 3 times, a connective tissue disorder is likely. It would be good to have an SSa antibody test to help diagnose Sjogren's. This result can be positive even with a negative ANA--see my article on SSa antibodies. UCTD is possible but it would be good to also be tested for thyroid function and thyroid antibodies. Hypothyroidism can cause joint pain, dryness, and thyroid eye disease (see my articles on thyroid eye disease, euthyroid Graves' disease, dry eye, and uveitis). Look up Behcet's disease too. Although it's a rare autoimmune disorders, it can cause ulcerations. Take care, Elaine
Jun 13, 2011 11:51 PM
take5 :
Hi Elaine,

This website is such a great resource. Thanks for the time you spend on it.

Last year my ANA test came back negative. I also tested negative for Celiac's Disease. An MRA found multiple inactive brain lesions characteristic of MS, but I have never shown any clinical signs of MS.

This year, an ANA Test IFA came back positive with a titer of 1:80, nucleolar pattern. Follow-up labs were done 7 days later.

Lupus Panel, Ribosomal P Antibody, SM Antibody, SM / RNP Antibody, Sjogren's Antibody (SS-A), Sjogren's Antibody (SS-B), Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies , SCL-70 Antibody, Rheumatoid Factor, all came back negative. The Lupus Panel included another ANA IFA Screen that came back negative as well.

1. False positive perhaps? I do have other issues that have been gradually escalating. Liver Enzymes: Alkaline Phosphatase 192 H (Range: 33-115 U/L), AST 84 H (Range: 10-35 U/L) , ALT 372 (Range: 6-40 U/L) , with total cholesterol going from 169 to 217 mg/dL in a couple of months. Plus, a low platelet count of 133 L (Range: 150-450 Thousand/uL) and a elevated Reticulocyte Absolute of 102,270 (20,000-80,000 cells/uL) that no one can seem to explain.

2. Since nucleolar infers a systemic sclerosis, could this possibly be the first clinical sign of Multiple Sclerosis? (Currently all I have is Radiologically Isolated Syndrome) A lumbar puncture could diagnose MS, but not until its in an active state.

3. I don't believe those tests above ruled out Crest, Polymyositis, or perhaps others? Are there other tests you would recommend?

4. I best fit the symptoms of Polymyositis, but I do not have it symmetrically. I notice it only on one side of the body.

5. The second ANA Test was negative 7 days later. Could this be remission? 1st test was a false positive? Nucleolar Pattern can also be suggestive of cancer, but this has been ruled out I believe. Are there any other suggestions for the positive beyond Celiac's Disease, cancer, & connective tissue disease?

I am not inclined to table this for 6 months. The lab results get a little worse with every draw for the last 20 months. My physician does not seem to want to pursue things further unless they escalate.

Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated as I attempt to sort this out.

Thank you,

Marie
Jun 14, 2011 7:39 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Marie,
I wouldn't worry about the ANA since a 1:80 titer can be seen in normal healthy people; the fact that your follow-up test was negative also suggests that your results are a false positive. It's true that the ANA will be positive during disease flares and be negative during remission but when it's a low titer and another method shows a negative result, it's typically a false positive.
The SCL-70 result being negative rules out systemic sclerosis.
Reticulocytes are new immature red blood cells. We're always producing new cells and the reticulocyte count increases in people living at high altitudes and after blood loss and in some conditions where red cells are being destroyed faster such as autoimmune hemolytic anemia. You'd also show signs of anemia if you had this.
the only test I'd have if you haven't is the SSa antibody test. And perhaps an anti-RNP. But I wouldn't worry about a serious disorder as often when this happens the results eventually start consistently testing negative. best, elaine
Jun 16, 2011 11:08 AM
Guest :
Hello Elaine,
I am 46 and I just had lab work done and all of my results were normal, including my Rhuematoid Factor. However my Anti-Nuclear AB was positive and ANA Titer was 1:320 Titer with a Homogeneous pattern. I experience symtoms of being tired and having a lot of stiffness in my lower joints when I stand. Not as much when wearing better shoes. My sister and my nephew has MS and my other nephew has MD and there is a lot of Rhuematoid Arthritus and Osteo Arthritus in my family. For the most part I think I am a very active person. I do not exercise as much as I used to because of time and have noticed an excessive loss of body composition. My BMA is 25 which when I used to exerise was 18. I find it harder to do cardio activities now then ever before but I keep telling myself it is from the lack of and not disease. Although I am very concerned about the stiffness. I can no longer sit on my knees with my legs folded under. I am noticing frequent swelling also. I have an appointment with a Rhuematoid doctor but what is your take on this?
Jun 16, 2011 10:11 PM
Elaine Moore :
Your ANA titer of 1:320 suggests a connective tissue disorder. Your doctor will need to run other blood tests for specific antibodies, such as ds-DNA. And then he'll correlate the results with your symptoms. Sometimes, a diagnosis can still be elusive and some conditions such as mixed connective or undifferentated connective tissue disease can resolve on their own. There's also a condition known as drug related lupus that's caused by a number of different medications. It causes a positive ANA and symptoms of arthritis and resolves when the offending drug is withdrawn. see http://www.suite101.com/content/drug-related-lupus-a8747
Hypothyroidism can also cause a positive ANA in some people, and it can cause symptoms of arthritis. be sure to have thyroid function tests too.
Jun 19, 2011 9:19 PM
Guest :
Hi Elaine. Have recently been told that blood test for ANA are elevated 1:160, speckled pattern, they were screened at 80. Other blood test done at the time were; FBE, EUC, LFT'S, URATE MAGNESIUM, TSH, FASTING GLUCOSE & LIPIDS,HDL, B12, FOLATE IRON STUDIES, ESR, CRP, CPK, RHEUMATOID FACTOR & ANA, Doctor didn't mention that any of the other test done were abnormal, I also have elevated calcium levels, indicating paratyphoid problems. Of late I have been extremely tired and since the beginning of this year been more aches and pains. Doctor said he would repeat blood test again in 3 months. I would be grateful for any advice you can give me. Thank you.
Jun 20, 2011 12:33 PM
Guest :
I have gained weight - a lot of weight. I have pitting edema in my legs and have the test results of ANA - Positive. ANA Pattern - Speckled and a ANA titer of 1:320 and a SCL-70 antibody of 2.2 POS.
Doctor isn't convinced of Scleroderma, as I don't have any patching or skin issues on my hands and face, only my legs. I am being sent to a Rheumatologist. Any suggestions of what to ask or do???? Thanks, DPV
Jun 22, 2011 9:11 PM
Elaine Moore :
Your SCL-70 result, although positive, is low and doesn't suggest scleroderma. I'd ask for tests for ANCA to rule out vasculitis and also thyroid function tests and thyroid antibody test and the pitting edema can occur in hypothyroidism.
Jun 22, 2011 9:17 PM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your 1:160 ANA, it could be caused by a connective tissue disorder or be a false positive. When your doctor repeats the test he'll probably also run a few other tests for various antinuclear antibodies to help with your diagnosis. An elevated calcium can be seen in hyperparathyroidism and sometimes in people with low vitamin D levels. It would be good to ask for a 25OH vitamin D level too.
Jun 24, 2011 4:08 AM
Guest :
Hi Elaine
Thanks for the excellent information you provide on autoimmune diseases.
I have an almost 5 year old son who recently had Henoch Schonlein Purpura. This occurred 2 weeks after a diagnosis of tonsillitis as well as a viral illness. The tonsillitis was treated with a course of amoxil and then a course of Augmentin. He had swollen ankles and wrist, purpura and abdominal pain, no evidence of kidney involvement. All of the symptoms seem to have resolved. At the time his blood tests were mostly unremarkable (slightly elevated monocytes and one of the liver enzymes was slighty elevated). He then had further blood tests which showed an ANA of 1.2560, speckled. He has a father, an uncle and an aunt with Crohn's disease, a grandmother with Hashimoto's, two brothers with eczema and one with food allergies and I had HELLP syndrome during pregnancy. We are due to see a rheumatologist in a month but I am very interested to know if you feel this is likely to be significant or related to his recent illnesses/medications.
Thankyou in advance for your opinion.
Wendy
Jun 28, 2011 1:32 AM
Guest :
Hi Elaine I hope you can help shed some light on what’s going on with me. I have many symptoms to speak of but no answers. I have had the ANA test and these are results as follows; ANA Screen: Positive, Tissue transglutaminase antibody IgA :< 3 (negative), ANA, IFA pattern: Speckled, ANA , IFA Titer: 1:40 (ABN: H), Folate, Serum: 20.4 (negative), Vitamin B12, serum: 1247 (ABN: H) Sedimentation rate: 16, Uric acid: 3.8, Rheumetoid factor: Negative. I was also tested for H pylori antibodies (IgA and IgM): both Negative. I thought perhaps I had Hashimotos because I had a lot of the symptoms (chronic constipation, extreme fatigue and exhaustion, muscle spasms in neck shoulder and back, intolerance to cold, excessive unexplained hair loss and many more) and my results to all those came back Normal as well. (Thyroid Peroxidase antibody (anti-tpo): 12, Thyrogloblin antibody: < 20, Thyroxin 9.0, TSH: 3.29, T3 Uptake: 31, Free Thyroxine Index: 2.8. I was told all those results were normal. Had the Glucose 2hr PP, result was 73. I seem to have hypoglycemia attacks out of nowhere but that test also came back normal. Other symptoms include; headaches and frequent migraines, joint pain, muscle pain, extreme fatigue, dry eyes occasionally, forgetfulness, extremely painful periods, weight gain mostly in abdomen, constipation, bloating, intolerance to cold, extreme hair loss, no energy, anxiety and depression. I always seem to have low blood pressure as well. I had the AM cortisol test for my adrenals and the result was 8.0, which is in the low range. I also wanted to mention I've been diagnosed with a hiatal hernia, GERD, and gastritis. My brother has type 1 diabetes but don't have many symptoms of that. (I don't think) Thank you for your time and I look forward to your reply.

A
Jun 29, 2011 10:38 AM
Elaine Moore :
an ANA of 1:40 isn't significant in most cases. your doctor may want to repeat it in 6-12 months. the only thing that really stands out is your TSH level, which indicates hypothyroidism. The recommended range is 0.3-3.0. read some of my articles on TSH. Most labs still use the old range of 0.5-4.5 although it was recommended that the range be lowered in 2003. New sources suggest a TSH greater than 2.5 indicates hypothyroidism. The T3 uptake is an obsolete test that measures how well thyroid hormone links to binding proteins. We used to use it to calculate and FT4 index (another obsolete test). Now, it's recommended that FT4 be tested directly. A profile includes TSH, FT4 and FT3.
Jun 30, 2011 3:08 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Wendy,
HSP can definitely cause a positive ANA and it can persist for up to 6 months although usually by then the patient's condition has resolved. See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6363709
Of interest, I just read a fiction book, An Irish Country Christmas, by Patrick Taylor that describes a little boy with HSP and his rash, abdominal pain, and uneventful recovery. I guess these are reminders that I should write an article on HSP in the near future. best, elaine
Jul 7, 2011 5:19 PM
Guest :
I have joint pain & stiffness (limited use of R wrist), fatigue, red face, sun sensitivity, hands shake, numbness in my hands, arms and legs, mental cloudiness, and a long list of symptoms that will make me sound like a hypochondriac.
MCHC 34.7, Platelet 127, Neut 66, Mono 11, C3 Complement 78, Anti TPO 592, Positive ANA 1:40, ANA, IFA Pattern Speckled, RA Titer 8 My thyroid function is normal. I know I have Hashimato's Disease, but do not take meds due to normal T3, T4, THS labs.
No Insurance - in nursing school - need help!
Wendy L.
Jul 7, 2011 6:57 PM
Guest :
I forgot to mention I have had the low C3 complement, the low platelet count for a year, and previously had a low white blood cell count. - Wendy L.
Jul 8, 2011 10:03 AM
Elaine Moore :
Wendy, your ANA of 1:40 may not be significant since it's low. Complement is low in a number of disorders and your platelet count is only slightly decreased. The only significant lab is your TPO ab result. These antibodies are seen in both Hashimoto's and Graves' disease. Your symptoms sound like those of hypothyroidism. The TSH result can be misleading because most labs are still using the old reference range. With your TPO level, a TSH greater than 2.5 would suggest hypothyroidism. Your symptoms could be from your thyroid levels being too low for your body's needs. I'd look at those results closely.
Jul 12, 2011 6:54 AM
Guest :
Will Treatment with MTX and IVIG Therapy mask ANA Test Results?
Jul 12, 2011 9:49 PM
Guest :
Thank you so much for your helpful answers!

I posted earlier (the 1:80 ANA on 3 occasions). Since then my joints swelled a lot, I couldn't straighten my knees or make a fist with my fingers. I went and saw my doctor who put me on Prednisone (20mg, reducing by 5mg a week). My swelling went away, I had so much energy and my joint pain disappeared! I had my appointment with my rheumatologist, but I'd just finished my course of Prednisone I wasn't swollen. I had heaps of blood tests done (I haven't got all the results back yet), but now my ANA IS NEGATIVE! I read that Prednisone can have an effect on ANA and other antibodies.

Is this true? And what happens if you have a lot of the symptoms of a connective tissue disease (like RA or Lupus), but your blood tests are normal?

Thank you!
Jul 14, 2011 10:44 AM
Elaine Moore :
results can be negative when you're in remission and then rise when you're having a flare. drugs like prednisone, ivig, and methotrexate don't alter the results---they can reduce your symptoms and bring your condition into remission and this results in the negative results.

if you have blood tests during flares and they're all negative you might consider reading my articles on the spondylarthropathies and sero-negative arthritis.
Aug 6, 2011 9:13 AM
Guest :
I have a 23 year old son that has been having hives for almost 4 months every day. It all started after sleeping on a friends couch that had a strong odor of cat urine and also using a new hair product from Aveda that had a very strong (but nice) fragrance. He has been using benadryl for about the first month and now claritin every day.
We changed bedrooms and bedding and he has even moved out and is still getting the hives daily.
He went to an allergist and he did the basic Inhalant, molds and primary food scratch tests and all were negative. His blood tests were all normal except for the ANTIBODIES TO NUCLEAR ANTIGENS- it resulted out with "positive by IFA (A)". this was the only abnormal test that he had.
Now what?
Aug 6, 2011 8:51 PM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your son's results, the ANA can be positive in healthy people at low titers. If the result is significantly elevated, the doctor will order more tests to see which specific antibody is present. this can help diagnose a connective tissue disorder if one is present.
Read my article on rashes and hives. Thyroid antibodies, even in the absence of thyroid disease, can cause hives and a positive ANA can accompany the thyroid antibodies. The new test done at Denver Jewish Hospital can help tell what your son is reacting to. doctors from all over the country send blood samples there.
many people are allergic to aveda products, usually to the lavender.
Aug 7, 2011 10:48 PM
Guest :
My test came back with Antinuclear Antibody Positive - Titre: 320 - Pattern: Homogeneous/Nucleolar and Anti-dsDNA (FARR) negative < 7. I have been having problems with pain in my knees and legs at night time, and problems in my foot for six months, the doctor sais it is plantar faciitis, but before I was with pain in the opposite foot and was not in the heel. Could you help me?
Thanks
A.S.
Aug 13, 2011 8:21 PM
Elaine Moore :
Regarding your titer of 1:320, your doctor will likely run more tests to see what antinuclear antibodies your have. The negative ds-DNA test rules out lupus. With further tests and a careful evaluation of your symptoms, your doctor should be able to make a diagnosis.
Aug 17, 2011 4:06 AM
J5 :
One month ago, my doctor ran ANA, CRP and ESR tests to screen for auto immune disorder because I have had so many of the symptoms for many years. To my surprise, the ANA was positive 1:320 with speckled pattern, CRP was high but ESR was normal. At that point he prescribed 50 mg of Prednisone daily and referred me to a rheumatologist but they were booked out for 2 months so still waiting for my appointment and the additional screening tests. In the mean time, the Prednisone has made an incredible difference and I can finally function again after so many years of pain, extreme fatigue along with other minor problems. My concern is that since I have been on Prednisone, and it has only been 3 weeks, they repeated the ANA test last week and now it is negative. I don't know if the 1st test was a false positive or if the Prednisone could have produced the negative result the 2nd time around even though I had only been on it for 2 weeks at that time. I don't want to continue taking Prednisone if it is going to effect the additional tests they will run, I want an answer after all these years, but I don't want to go back to feeling like death warmed over again or I will have to quit my job. Can Prednisone impact the ANA test that quickly? Only other abnormal labs from last week were:
BUN (MG/DL) = 30 (H)
AST (U/L) = 12 (L)
WBC (BIL/L) = 13.0 (H)
NEUT (BIL/L) = 7.7 (H)
LYMPH (BIL/L) = 4.2 (H)
IM GRAN (BIL/L) = 0.11 (H)

Thanks! So glad I found this site!
Aug 17, 2011 7:55 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Karen,
In the old days, a favorable response to steroids indicated a disorder was autoimmune. Now it's known that many inflammatory conditions will respons to corticosteroids. The ANA result is often positive only during flares of symptoms. Since corticosteroids improve inflammation they can reduce symptoms and lower the ANA titer. Ideally, you wouldn't be on steroids and you would have symptoms when you have the other tests to help with your diagnosis. CRP is a more sensitive marker of inflammation than the sed rate. Both results, like the ANA, improve during periods of remission and rise during flares. Your slightly elevated white blood cell count, lymphocyte count, and neutrophil count can be caused by inflammation. Your elevated BUN can be caused by kidney problems or by eating protein the night before the blood test. If your creatinine level was normal, that's a good sign, but your doctor will still probably repeat the BUN test. Best, Elaine
Aug 19, 2011 7:44 AM
Guest :
Hi Elaine:
So glad I found your site.

I have tested postive twice on an ANA test, and twice on a double strand DNA.

Im' working with a Rheumatologist now that did a slew of labs on me.

Something that came up on the ANCA test was this:

ANCA: Negative
Final Diagnosis: Serum # ANCA Negative
(See Note)
Note: Indirect Immuno (1)

NOTE: Indirect immunonflouresence testing for anti-neutrophil cytoplasm antibodies (ANCA) shows a nuclear pattern of taning, which is not characteristic of an ANCA associated vasculitis. ELISAs are negative for anti-proteinase 3 and anti-myeloperoxidase antibodies. The staning seen with this patient's serum may be due to antinuclear antibodiees or to other antibodies of unknown specificity and significance.

HUH? What does this mean?

any light you can shed will be helpful. Thank you.

-Ivy
Aug 21, 2011 8:01 PM
Elaine Moore :
Regarding your question about ANCA, please read my article http://www.suite101.com/content/anti-neutrophil-cytoplasmic-antibodies-anca -a375504
It explains how there can be non-specific reactions with atypical staining. Tests for myeloid peroxidase antibodies suggest a true result.
Aug 27, 2011 9:14 AM
Guest :
My ANA was positive with mixed pattern Homogenous 1:640 and Speckled 1:640.
My C-Reactive Protein was high at 15.2 and suddenly
My LDL was 167
2 separate MRIs have found multiple lesions in the White Matter of the brain.
My neuro-psych exam indicated Mild Sub Corticle Dysfunction. I've suffered Migraines and fatigue for years. Muscle weakness and skin sensations come and go.
Any ideas?
Aug 28, 2011 10:08 PM
Elaine Moore :
your elevated ANA suggests a connective tissue disorder but your doctor will run more specific tests such as the ds-DNA to help with diagnosis. Your high CRP suggests an inflammatory process. The elevated LDL may not be related but it along with a high CRP poses risk for heart disease so more tests will probably be needed. The lesions will probably require spinal fluid tests to help with diagnosis.
Sep 5, 2011 7:41 PM
Guest :
Hi, 15 year old girl , had a positive ANA .... doctor said to not eat vitamin c? but vitamin c deficiency .... isn't there a disease called scurvy? So, why would the doctor recommend not eating vitamin c? ( The doctor is the kind who walks in 5 minutes and then walks out).
Sep 7, 2011 3:39 PM
Guest :
I have been dizzy/unbalanced for over a month & a half & no one can figure anything out. I just had blood work done that said that my ANA count was 1.80 with a speckled pattern. Everything else in the blood work was normal and in range. I am a 21 year old female with no history of serious illness and no family history of lupus or any autoimmune disorders. I had an MRI withOUT contrast and nothing was found. I am starting to think that it could be a Vestibular Schwannoma because of my dizziness that presents itself more as uneasiness. I have also been very tired lately & have had mild diarrheah.

I am going to see a Rheumatologist next week, but could you please give me some insight onto what you think?
Sep 8, 2011 2:52 PM
Elaine Moore :
I'm not sure why your doctor recommended avoiding vitamin C unless you're scheduled to have a test he thought it could interfere. Rarely, this can happen although with most current tests this isn't a problem. Long ago, vitamin C used to interfere with urine glucose tests. Studies show many positive benefits from vitamin C. Perhaps this physician doesn't or has prescribed medications that vitamin C could interfere with.
Sep 8, 2011 2:54 PM
Elaine Moore :
Dizziness can have many causes. A 1:80 ANA is often considered borderline since most false positive results occur with titers of 1:40 or 1:80. More tests would be needed to see if there are specific antibodies present such as ds-DNA. Dizziness suggests a workup for adrenal function especially if blood pressure is low. Have you had a cortisol level?
Sep 9, 2011 1:25 PM
Guest :
Thanks for such a quick response, Elaine! I am the one who is going to see a Rheumatologist. My blood pressure has been normal throughout all of this. I have never had any problems before. I also have not had my cortisol levels checked but m TSH was .9. I also noticed that my white blood cell count is almost double what it was a month ago, 6.2 a month ago and now is 10.1.

I live in an old loft and it just dawned on me that I may have mold poisoning from breathing in moldy or dirty air. Does this seem plausible, especially since my ANA is elevated?
Sep 13, 2011 11:08 PM
Elaine Moore :
The white blood cell count can rise from inflammation or infection. Molds can cause chronic inflammation although I haven't seen mold linked to any specific connective tissue disorder. Any burden to your immune system can weaken it, though, and cause autoimmune disease risk.
Sep 17, 2011 5:49 PM
Guest :
RF 24, ANA 1:160 and speckled. My physical symptoms seem like developing RA. Fever now and then, right foot hot and aching at night ?????? Any input ? Can't get a Rheumy appt till Dec
Sep 23, 2011 5:58 AM
Elaine Moore :
regarding your positive RF test and ANA, you may have a connective tissue disorder such as sjogren's or rheumatoid arthritis, but your doctor will look for signs and symptoms-for instance, the nodules that can occur in rheumatoid arthritis, and possibly order more tests before making a diagnosis.
Sep 28, 2011 12:24 AM
Guest :
Hi I have pos Ana of 1:40 homogenous pattern 6 for sed rate my neurologist says I'm negative abd no further testing needing my whole matalbolic panel comeback normal except alkaline phosphates of 26 normal is 33 but he says I'm fine I was Neg for Lyme RA factor was 5 Neg jrogens no auto immunfixation normal patten rnr non reactive but I still have pain in my fingers and in my knee my foot not bad but still also I have cronic back pain could t1-L1 cause this I have nerve root irratation at L4L5 or could I have lupus just not know it
Sep 30, 2011 11:27 PM
Guest :
i recently had a miscarriage at 17 weeks following 2 healthy births in the last 5 years and no other miscarriages. in the workup following the d&e all results came back normal except ana which is 1:320. I have subclinical hypothyroidism which i was told wouldn't have even been treated if it werent for fertility issues (took a while to get pregnant with the first). thyroid came back normal though i do take levothyroxin currently. dr. wants me to see rheumatologist but the first available was a month out. i am concerned - i have no symptoms of anything other than the miscarriage (no fatigue following normal first trimester tiredness, no joint issues, nothing at all that i can think of). dr. felt 1:320 was too high to be false positive. should i be concerned?
Oct 3, 2011 2:46 PM
Guest :
I suffer from Hypothyroidism and within in the last year my symptoms have become quite severe even though I am taking Levoxyl. My doctor ran some tests for Lupus last year and either my SS-A or SS-b level was through the roof! Unfortunately I cannot remember which one it was. My hair has entirely changed texture and is so thin now you can barely see one strand, its rather ashy looking, and I lose clumps every time I shower. I am only 28 and my mother does have lupus and I have no health insurance now unfortunately and my hair, skin, and health seem to be detiorating. Does anyone know if it could possinly be Lupus, Sjogren's, or even Hashimoto's based on my symptoms, DNA, and elevated SS-a or SS-b?
Thank You,
Wants My Hair Back
Oct 8, 2011 7:14 PM
Elaine Moore :
In response to your question, SSa antibodies are more significant. See this article I wrote:
http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/ssa-ro-antibodies-in-sjogrens-syndrome-l upus-and-pregnancy-a306286
They can occur in lupus and in sjogren's. A positive ANA can occur in Hashimoto's but it's usually a low titer. DS-DNA antibodies are seen in lupus. Hair loss is seen in Hashimoto's and in alopecia, another autoimmune disorder. The TSH test result can be misleading so you want to make sure that you're being tested for FT4 and FT3 and that your meds are based on these levels. Best, elaine
Oct 8, 2011 7:24 PM
Elaine Moore :
An ANA of 1:320 isn't usually a false positive, but it can be caused by Hashimoto's thyroiditis. So you may not necessarily have a connective tissue disorder. Your doctor will have to order more specific tests, for instance tests for SSA and SSB and dsDNA antibodies to see if you have any antibodies that suggest a specific autoimmune disorder. Antiphospholipid syndrome is an autoimmune disorder that causes miscarriages. See http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/antiphospholipid-syndrome-aps-a14627
It would be a good idea to have tests also for anticardiolipin antibodies and other factors that can contribute to hypercoagulation. Best, Elaine
Oct 8, 2011 7:40 PM
Elaine Moore :
Your lab test results, low ANA and sed rate, don't suggest a connective disorder such as lupus. Your low alkaline phosphatase level could indicate hypothyroidism, and hypothyroidism can cause joint pain. Because the TSH result can be misleading, try to get tests also for FT4 and FT3 and thyroid antibodies. The TSH reference range is a problem with most labs listing it as 0.5-4.5 when hypothyroidism can occur with TSH levels higher than 2.5 mu/L.
Oct 10, 2011 5:29 PM
Guest :
Hi, My test results don't give a titre. It says Antinuclear Ab Reflex Cascade, and the top results are given as ANA direct (positive), Anti-DNA (DS) Ab Qn 5 IU/ml. The next bunch is smith antibodies, all <0.2. Then RNP Antibodies - 7. I understand this indicates an autoimmune disorder. But then the bottom section, where they go through the different autoantibodies are all give in percents, so I don't know what these mean. Can you please explain how to read these without titre ratios? Thanks!!
Oct 13, 2011 12:48 AM
Guest :
Dear Elaine,

I was diagnosed with Kikuchi's disease last September after a biopsy on swollen left cervical lymph nodes. My ANA count was 1:160 then. The condition is self limiting and i felt better in recent months after a short course of prednison. 3 months ago i felt a painless swollen lymph node 0.5cm in my right axilla. As a result, I went back to see my rheumatologist last week. He ran ANA and it came back today 1:320. ds-DNA was negative. My full blood count is normal except for lymphocytes at 32.2%.

My doctor is now running an anti-ENA test. I am otherwise relatively healthy except for a dry cough which has not gone away for a month now. My doctor started me on Klacid antibiotics today. Should I be requesting for other tests? I am worried that it could be more than autoimmune.

Desiree
Oct 16, 2011 9:54 PM
Elaine Moore :
The way titers work your result is just one dilution off at 1:320 from you 1:160 result. The ENA antibody test will help show if there are specific autoantibodies present. The normal percentage of lymphocytes is 20-40%. Higher percentages may be seen in viral infections.
The DS-DNA antibody test is typically positive in systemic lupus. take care, elaine
Dec 6, 2011 5:08 PM
Guest :
I am a 40 yr old female experiencing drenching night sweats for about 10 yrs. also, I experience hairloss periodically. Since April of this year I have had swollen lymph nodes and major fatigue. I tested positive Ana, positive hlb-a27, eosinophelia 10.6, lymph node biopsy just showed reactive. I have a scar under my nose where I get what I think is a recurring cold sore. Rheumatologist says mild lupus. Prescribed antimalarial and NSAID. I asked about chief Strauss and he says no. I developed asthma 9 years ago and since then have had sinus polyps removed twice. How can he be so sure?
Jan 19, 2012 3:47 AM
Guest :
Hi Elaine,

I have been suffering from joint pain, fatigue and painful/uncomfortable abdomen for the last 10 months. In August last year my hands swelled up and I could not use them as the joints were incredibly painful. Now I have mild constant pain in my fingers and toes. I have also become incredibly thirsty and am constantly sipping on water.

My results so far have been 2x ANA 1:160, positive anti-ro and consistant mild inflammation both ESR and CRP. I am just wondering if you think it is likely to be Sjogren's?

-Kim
Jan 25, 2012 10:22 AM
Elaine Moore :
Dear Kim,
When you mention being thirsty this could mean you have mouth dryness, which does occur in Sjogren's.
Ro (SSa) antibodies are seen in several conditions. Read this article for more info:

http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/ssa-ro-antibodies-in-sjogrens-syndrome-l upus-and-pregnancy-a306286
Good luck, Elaine
Feb 1, 2012 1:45 PM
Guest :
Hiya I have from what i remember sma and ana 1:320 also positive for michrondrial and i think alt is 166 billrubin 17uml ? Would you think ? Many thanks any Information gratefully recieved :)
Feb 2, 2012 2:45 PM
Guest :
I am 48 years old, saw the dr with complaints of left flank/pelvic pain. ct shows bil ovarian cysts over 3.9 cm. I have had diarrhea nausea vomiting for 1 1/2 months and now vary diarrhea constipation. I have had various tests done. echo results mild mitral valve prolapse, carotid doppler with turbulent blood flow and mild plaque. I have migraine headaches and severe fatigue. numbness on left side of my face and right shoulder arm pain and increased weakness. I have had several cervical fusions and lumbar fusions. I have asthma, RLS. My recent labs show Albumin 3.1, TIBC 236, Vit B6 17.1, Vitamin D25 6.7 ANA Positive with 1:80 titer diffuse pattern, Sed rate 21 MCH 32.5, brain mri show increased white matter. I just feel terrible and am tired of being referred to the next doctor
Feb 2, 2012 9:47 PM
Guest :
Hello Elaine,
I tested positive for my ANA screen with a nucleolar pattern and a titer of 1:640. I go in one week to see a Rhuematoligist (sp?). I am very nervous about getting results. I do have joint pain and swelling for which I usually ice and take some bayer for pain relief. I can barely stay awake some days and have zero energy. My hands get extremely cold and it's hard to warm them back up. When I get sick, which is rare, I usually have some crazy infection....like strep in my ears or painful kidney infections that have gone to my lymphnoyds (sp?). I know there are many rheumatoid diseases, but can you shed some light on m y situation? Thank you in advance :) Teresa, 30 yrs old
Feb 8, 2012 12:25 PM
Elaine Moore :
The ANA test is a screening test and while it usually points to an autoimmune disorder, the test can be positive because of other things or for no reason. In most cases a nucleolar pattern is seen in scleroderma (systemic sclerosis) or CREST syndrome. Then again, it can occur in conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis. The rheumatologist will need to run more tests for SCL-70 and PM1 antibodies to help make a diagnosis. He'll also take all your symptoms to account. For disorders such as scleroderma, various criteria besides test results must be met to make a diagnosis. also read my article on overlapping disorders:
http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/autoimmune-disease-overlap-syndromes-a38 5156
and connective tissue disorders
http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/connective-tissue-disorders-a14546
Feb 8, 2012 12:35 PM
Elaine Moore :
Regarding your many symptoms including RLS and asthma, if your 25OH vitamin D level is only 6.7, this deficiency could be causing many of your symptoms. I had RLS for years and tried everything. Symptoms finally resolved when I discovered my vitamin D level was low. Without it we can't absorb adequate calcium and magnesium, and this contributes to RLS. Now with adequate vitamin D, calcium, magnesium and folic acid (low levels seen in familial RLS) I'm symptom free unless I overdose on sugar (because it depletes magnesium). Once you start vitamin D (your doctor should have given you an rx) you may see improvement in some of your other symptoms. Your ANA isn't very high and could be a false positive. your sed rate shows mild chronic inflammation.
Feb 10, 2012 5:25 PM
Guest :
Hi Elaine. I wrote before about a positive ANA with speckled pattern and 1:40 titer. I have had it retested since and again got the positive ANA with speckled pattern and 1:40 titer I thought I may have had Hashimotos based on symptoms but have had my thyroid tested for twice. First readings are as follows: Thyroid Peroxidase antibody (anti-tpo): 12, Thyrogloblin antibody: < 20, Thyroxin 9.0, TSH: 3.29, T3 Uptake: 31, Free Thyroxine Index: 2.8. The second readings (just tested 1 month ago) Thyroxine Free: 0.95, TSH: 1.18, T3 Free: 3.2, Sedimentation Rate: 21 (Range- 0-20). I also got the following lab for Thyroid Antibodies about 1-2 weeks ago: Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies: <10, IgA, Serum: 202, Tissue Transglutaminase Antibody IgA: < 3 , (tTG) Ab, IgG: < 3, Thyroglobulin Antibody <20, IgA Serum: 202. They have stated to me that all were in "normal range" for these updated tests except my ANA came back positive, speckled 1:40 once again. Last time I wrote my Vitamin D 25-OH Total: 31, Vitamin D, 25-OH, D3: 31, Vitamin D, 25-OH, D2: <4. I got these retested as well after being put on 50,000 IU once a week for six weeks. Those results are Vitamin D 25-OH Total: 53, Vitamin D 25-OH D3: 13 (this is lower for some reason?), Vitamin D, 25-OH, D2: 40. My symptoms include fatigue, very frequent migraines that cause dizziness and vision problems, muscle knots/trigger points, stiff joints in (worse in the morning), severe hair loss, insomnia, heavy periods (up until I started the depo provera shot), constipation, intolerance to cold, very dry skin, some type of rash and/or eczema on the back of my thighs/buttocks, and red dry skin patches on joints (elbows, knees, ankles, hips), constantly having to clear my throat, low grade fever (99-100) and sore throat on and off. There are probably more I am forgetting but I wont bore you with a very long list of all my symptoms. Has the possibility of this being a thyroid issue been ruled now based on all these tests? Are there any other types of testing for Hashimotos or have I had all possible testing done to rule it out? I was also wondering if Hashimotos had a particular type of ANA pattern or if it could be any of the patterns? Are there any other tests I should be asking for? I will be seeing a rheumatologist for the first time on the 21st of this month (gp is worried I may have rheumatoid arthritis or lupus) and would appreciate any advice you can give me.
Feb 18, 2012 11:07 AM
Elaine Moore :
A titer of 1:40 isn't usually considered significant. Still, you'd need other tests such as ds-DNA antibodies to tell if you have a specific antinuclear antibody.
Besides Hashimoto's, people can have other types of hypothryoidism including autoimmune atrophic thyroiditis, which is caused by blocking TSH receptor antibodies. You could ask about having this test since your TSH is elevated. recommended reference range is 0.3-3.0 mu/L.
Tests for gliadin antibodies would help to tell if your rash is from dermatitis herpetiformis. see my article on DH on suite 101. take care, elaine
Feb 22, 2012 1:26 PM
Guest :
My ANA test came back Positive with 1:358 speckled and showed positive rheumatoid factor. I have had thrush mouth for 2 months. I have a constant rash across my cheeks. Can you explain the ana test results to me please? Thank you!!
Feb 24, 2012 4:33 AM
Guest :
My immunofixation serum was run twice and it come back with a a poorly
defined area of restricted protein mobility is detected and is reactive
with IgM and lambda antisera. My b12 is 2000H my RDW is 18.5H and my Immunogobulin A is 22L. Can you give me an idea of what could be going on?
Feb 26, 2012 12:16 PM
Elaine Moore :
the results you listed aren't ANA results. It looks like you had immunoglobulin tests, metabolic tests, and a CBC. Your high vitamin B12 is typical for people taking multivitamins or B vitamins. RDW is a measure of the red blood cell diameter and just indicates that there's slightly more variation in cell size. if hemoglobin and hematocrit are normal this isn't significant. if you had anemia the RDW could help tell its origin.
I'm not sure about the interpretation of your results but it sounds as though Immunoglobulin A is low and Immunoglobulin M may be high. IgA levels are low in certain conditions such as gluten sensitivity and celiac disease. Immunoglobulin M is elevated in certain conditions including chronic fatigue and in acute infections. best, elaine
Feb 26, 2012 12:27 PM
Elaine Moore :
A titer of 1:358 is usually indicative of a connective tissue disorder. see my article
http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/connective-tissue-disorders-a14546

Rheumatoid factor is seen in rheumatoid arthritis and several other disorders. See:
http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/rheumatoid-factor-in-rheumatoid-arthriti s-and-related-disorders-a309872
and
http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/autoimmune-disorders-a5837

Your doctor will now order more blood tests to help make a diagnosis. For instance if your symptoms primarily resemble rheumatoid arthritis (like if you have the characteristic nodules on joints) he might order a CCP antibody test, which is more specific for diagnosing rheumatoid arthritis. To rule out other connective tissue disorders or see if you have an overlap syndrome he might order tests for ds-DNA antibodies, which are seen in lupus or an SSa antibody test to rule out Sjogren's. Read also my articles on undifferentiated and mixed connective tissue disorders, and be sure to ask for a vitamin D level with your next labs. Many of these disorders are worsened by low vitamin d levels.
Feb 28, 2012 1:40 PM
Guest :
Hello, this site is great....I just recived my result of ANA test, my main problems are anemia, low hemoglobin, low ferritine, heavy periods, proteinuria with a normal kidney test, I am always tired, with a lot of anxiety, insommnia, some mucles pains, and joint sometimes, a year ago they test me for celiac disease and I have positive blood test with negative biopsy, so they said I am not celiac, my ana test said 1:160 speckled pattern and 2, 1:80 that's all. So what thies can be? Thank's in advance Elaine!
Feb 29, 2012 7:33 AM
Guest :
I have had a positive ANA since I was a teenager with the pattern constantly changing. Recently I have tested high for antiscleroderma 2.4 and now have high anti-proteinase 3ABS 5.6. My doctor just called and said my back crags show arthritis in my back. What is this? I have a dx of "unspecified auto-immune disorder".
Mar 2, 2012 6:29 PM
Guest :
hi, I was on here about a month ago inquring about red dots that ive been having since oct 2011.
I went to three er docs, my primary and a derm who didnt seem to be concerned. I had 2 cbc's done all normal. My dots are very scattered and fade in about a day, i mostly get them on my stomach, legs and upper breast but there are not in clusters they do not blanche. Was told doesnt look like petechiae but possible blood vessels. Long story short, My derm gave me blood work for an ANA in case it would make me feel better she did not find it necessary. After walking up last week and having alot on my stomach i just went and got my blood drawn. My ANA came back as 1:40 speckled. My derm explained it to me but would like to get an other opinion. A 1:40 is negative?? she said thats the lowest they will go so does that mean no anti-nuclear bodies were found?? or did they dilute from 1:10 and up ? I do not have a copy with me i will be getting it tomorrow or friday. Does a 1:40 mean I have these antinuclear bodies in my blood...dont we not want these?
Mar 7, 2012 6:39 PM
Elaine Moore :
A 1:40 titer is positive. Negative results are as you said 1:10 and aren't diluted. However, a 1:40 titer is generally considered a false positive especially if there's a speckled pattern. Still, ANA titers can be higher when there's flares of symptoms and they typically are used to diagnosed connective tissue disorders. Rashes can be more difficult to diagnose. Please read my article on Rashes and Hives and on Dermatitis Herpetifiormis.
Ideally, your doctor would run a few more blood tests to see if a specific ANA tests positive, for instance ds-DNA. Best, Elaine
Mar 7, 2012 7:16 PM
Elaine Moore :
A positive ANA is seen in connective tissue disorders, which are disorders with a systemic arthritic component. I'm not sure what your doctor means by crags but it sounds as though spinal imaging tests showed evidence of arthritis. Your doctor will probably run more blood tests to see if you have antibodies specific for CREST syndrome or systemic sclerosis. See my articles also on undifferentiated connective tissue disorders and mixed connective tissue disorders and overlapping disorders.
Mar 7, 2012 7:22 PM
Elaine Moore :
Positive tissue transglutaminase or gliadin antibodies with a negative biopsy show that you don't yet have the damage characteristic of celiac disease but that you have gluten sensitivity. see my articles http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/how-gluten-intolerance-contributes-to-illn ess-a178438 and http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/atypical-celiac-disease-symptoms-a22576
Your other symptoms including insomnia, low ferritin and low hemoglobin may indicate hypothyroidism. Be aware that hypothyroidism can be tricky to diagnose. Ask for tests for TSH, FT4 and FT3. A TSH higher than 2.5 can suggest hypothyroidism.
Mar 8, 2012 5:44 PM
Guest :
Hi. I have just received the test results (below) and have been referred to a rheumatologist. All cbc, lipids and urinanalysis came back normal. I'd really like to know what these results mean as the nurse doesn't understand the chart (Also, HIV test was negative)
Test/ComponentFlagResult ValueUnitsRangeStatusReportedLab
ANA W/ REFLEX
Note: TESTING PERFORMED AT: [CB] UNLESS NOTED IN RESULT COMMENT. LABCORP DUBLIN, 6370 WILCOX ROAD, DUBLIN, OH, 43016-1296, PHONE: 800-282-7300, LABORATORY DIRECTOR: PATRICIA CANFIELD, MD
ANA DIRECTAbnormalPOSITIVE
Final02/17/2012
ANTI-DNA (DS) AB QN 1IU/ML0-9
Final02/17/2012
NEGATIVE <5
EQUIVOCAL 5 - 9
POSITIVE >9
RNP ANTIBODIES <0.2AI0.0-0.9
Final02/17/2012
SMITH ANTIBODIES <0.2AI0.0-0.9
Final02/17/2012
SJOGREN'S ANTI-SS-A <0.2AI0.0-0.9
Final02/17/2012
SJOGREN'S ANTI-SS-BHigh4.6AI0.0-0.9
Final02/17/2012
The ANA Direct gives me no titer or pattern and the other anomaly is the Sjogren's Anti-SS-B level at 4.6. I have NO symptoms - slight rash (not butterfly lupus rash) caused doctor to order anti-immune tests. Also, I am on Pamelor which I read can cause side effects that mimic Sjogren's - Could the Pamelor also effect the test result?
Have to wait a month for the rheumatologist and would like a little information to keep my anxiety at bay.
Jennifer
Mar 13, 2012 6:03 PM
Guest :
My total calcium was slightly elevated but my ionized calcium was normal. I had a cmp blood test everything was perfect except calcium. I went to the er a couple days later and my total calcium was 9.6 normal. Why the discrepancy. I'm also have low vit d. I'm anxiety ridden and I don't know what to do.
Mar 15, 2012 8:45 PM
Elaine Moore :
The ionized calcium result is more meaningful. A slightly elevated calcium isn't significant. It could be from diet or dehydration or a slight metabolic change. Reference ranges fit for most of the population but some people have levels of various analytes that, while normal for them, are slightly higher or lower than the range. I wouldn't worry.
Mar 15, 2012 8:53 PM
Elaine Moore :
Hi Jennifer,
I wouldn't worry about these results. Without a titer given, you could surmise that the test was positive undiluted but negative at the first dilution or low, which could indicate a false positive. SSb (La) antibodies are fairly specific for Sjogren's, but there are many medications that can cause interferences. It's not unlikely that your medication caused a false positive. Then again, sometime antibodies show up years before symptoms so you probably will want to have the test repeated in 6 months. best, elaine
Apr 11, 2012 4:47 AM
Guest :
CAN YOU HELP ME MY 5 YEAR OLD HAD A WEIRD CHANGE IN COLOR IN HER HANDS AND SHE HAS ALWAYS HAD DARKER TOES. THE DOCTOR ORDER ANA AND THAT WAS POSITVE SO HER PROFILE CAME BACK HOMOGENOUS PATTERN AND HER TITER WAS 1:1280....WHAT IS THE CHANCE SHE HAS LUPUS?
Apr 15, 2012 9:12 PM
Elaine Moore :
Please read my article on the ANA test in children http://elaine-moore.suite101.com/should-your-child-have-the-antinuclear-ant ibody-ana-test-a402021
and read my article on drug related lupus.
While your child's titer is higher than usually seen in a false positive, be aware that certain medications can cause drug associated lupus that resolves when the offending drug is withdrawn.
Read my article on Raynaud's syndrome also, as it can cause a positive ANA.
Your doctor will run more blood tests, for instance for ds-DNA antibodies or smith antibodies to help determine the cause of your child's positive ANA and then correlate these results with symptoms.
Apr 24, 2012 3:28 PM
Guest :
Question for Elaine:
Breast Cancer survivor - 2 years into treatment - 1 year on Femara. I hurt ALL the time almost in my joints from my fingers elbows, toes, knees, and really, really a lot on the left hip. Sometimes that it makes me yelp when I put weight on it. Positive ANA Screen 1:80 Homogeneous Titer... what's wrong?
Apr 26, 2012 7:30 PM
Elaine Moore :
A 1:80 titer is low and is often a false positive. But to be sure further tests are usually done to see if a specific nuclear antibody is present. Since a homogeneous pattern is seen in lupus, your doctor will probably run tests for ds-DNA and smith antibodies. These antibodies are seen in lupus. you can also have a drug-related lupus that resolves when the offending med is withdrawn. I'm not sure if femara has been out long enough to know if it can cause drug related lupus. see my article on drug related lupus. some of your symptoms can be from the Femara. please see http://breast-cancer.emedtv.com/femara/femara-side-effects.html
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